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- Lobo Church (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Run-of-the-mill parish church. No indication of notability. — Moriwen (talk) 23:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. As the nominator has said, this is clearly a run-of-the-mill. This is the church of Lobo, Batangas, similar to other churches that all other barangays in the Philippines have. In addition, the church seems to have nothing that would make it notable. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Zensai AI (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Contested draftification, so off to AfD. Company fails WP:NCORP, and it's a particularly egregious case of WP:ADMASQ, almost to the line of a G11. Contrary to the article's claim, it does not appear on the 2024 FT 1000 list (not that that would confer notability if it did). The rest of the sources are limited to:
- Corporate press releases ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5])
- Articles by Zensai employees ([6], [7])
- WP:PRIMARYSOURCES like Zensai's description of its products in app stores ([8]) and other Zensai sponsored content ([9])
- A promotional product review ([10])
- Sources that I'm guessing were added in error since they either don't mention the company ([11]) or are the website of an entirely different company.
WP:BEFORE search turns up only more corporate press releases. Dclemens1971 (talk) 11:50, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Agree with the source review above, PR items and other sources that aren't reliable. I can only bring up PR items in my searches as well. Appears to be PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 18:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- PR Items all removed and all product promotion taken out - suggest the article is renamed to Zensai (Company)- also noted the placed where Zensai has won prices with the prior name LMS365 and noted journalists of articles 87.116.23.14 (talk) 13:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: The article on Zensai AI meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines, with independent coverage highlighting its innovations in AI applications across healthcare, finance, and education. It documents industry recognition, impactful partnerships, and contributions to global challenges. The article is neutral, well-sourced, and provides valuable information on a significant player in the AI field. I recommend retaining it and addressing any concerns for compliance with Wikipedia standards. Hussainxyz (talk) 02:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I strongly recommend you not use AI tools to generate responses and actually address the source analysis in the nomination. (GPTZero rates this as 100% probability of being AI-generated.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- "Any concerns" are mainly the lack of sourcing. Ask the AI to help find some, which it likely won't, but anything's worth a try. Oaktree b (talk) 17:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, fails WP:NCORP per source analysis by nom. ~ A412 talk! 08:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Open to a weak keep if somebody has access to certain sources, see my comment below. ~ A412 talk! 18:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete as vanispamcruftisement. XOR'easter (talk) 20:04, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: The article was updated on the 8th of January to remove all of the PR — 188.177.23.247 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 16:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC) (UTC).
- Some PR may have been removed, but the sources remaining are still WP:ORGTRIV and don't contribute to notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- After another inspection, it appears there's some actual analyst coverage here,
The company was also covered by Gartner Analyst Tori Paulman as a Cool Vendor
, andThe company is also featured on analyst firm Fosway's Learning Management 9-grid by Senior Analyst Fiona Leteney as well as the Talent and People Success 9-grid by Chief Insight Officer David Perring
both theoretically link actual analyst reports behind them. Here's the problem: it's all paywalled. If somebody has access and could confirm these analyst reports contain significant coverage and aren't just entries in lists, I'd be open to a weak keep. ~ A412 talk! 17:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)- Those aren't analyst reports on public companies envisioned by WP:LISTED. Lots of companies get ranked in various Gartner lists and it's almost never WP:SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Please note that Gartner Cool Vendor is not a Gartner list - the Cool Vendor nomenclature will only be given to organizations who challenge the thought process of at least 3 Gartner analysts because the publication will mention a specific company by name - other Cool Vendors are the likes of AirBnB, Atlassian, Splunk, Slack ... most went on to change industries 188.177.23.247 (talk) 15:30, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Those aren't analyst reports on public companies envisioned by WP:LISTED. Lots of companies get ranked in various Gartner lists and it's almost never WP:SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per the source analysis above. Couldn't find those analyst reports, but agree that being given a title by Gartner and co is typically very unlikely to constitute WP:SIGCOV. Everything else I could find seems to be promo. MCE89 (talk) 23:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- The company was included by Danish Chamber of Commerce as well as winners of Red Dot Award which is only awarded for best-in-class design 87.116.23.14 (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom, but also getting Déjà vu like a lot of similar AI-related company AfDs, where promotional coverage is significant, but nothing worthwhile outside of that. Snowycats (talk) 03:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The company name is not Zensai AI - I have motioned that the author changes it to Zensai (Company) 87.116.23.14 (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, article references are bunch of PR distributed sources. Nothing brings it close to WP:NORG. Mekomo (talk) 15:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Does not meet WP:NCORP and reads like WP:PROMO. Madeleine (talk) 17:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Tunku Irinah (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Minor royal and non-notable business exec. Sole claim to fame seems to be a lot of awards received from her own family, though sources on the awards are pretty thin on the ground. In a WP:BEFORE search I could find only passing mentions in Malay and English. A redirect might be the best alternative to deletion, but I couldn't work out an appropriate target, so brought it to AFD for discussion. Wikishovel (talk) 14:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:NOTINHERITED. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ja'afar of Negeri Sembilan#Issue (her father's page) where she is listed. It might be interesting to check whether her siblings, most of whom are blue links there, are notable? PamD 16:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep. The subject is a member of the Malay royalty. Wikipedia:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility actually might be a good place to reach out regarding this. desmay (talk) 20:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Relisting, if there is any reaching out to do, participants in this discussion will have to do it not some as-yet-unnamed editor. No new sources have been added to help bolster any Keep arguments and I'll ping the article creator, User:Cherryblossom673, who has not been editing in a few weeks to see if they will respond to the nomination statement.
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- Delete, fails WP:GNG or even WP:NBASIC. Being a member of the royal family does not confer notability; they have to be sufficiently covered by the media to prove their notability. Wikipedia notability is not inherited. Mekomo (talk) 15:30, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- List of Crackle original films (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not appear to meet WP:NLIST. Could be included within Crackle (service). – Meena • 23:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Peggy Batchelor (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Contested draftification of an article on a non-notable actor. There is no reliable source for the WP:OR claim that she was the oldest-ever actor who had appeared in Doctor Who (not that that is even a claim to notability). The source for this claim appears to be a Doctor Who wiki. She fails WP:NACTOR as her handful of roles appear to be minor parts, and they are sourced to IMDb, an unreliable source. She fails WP:GNG/WP:NBIO for lack of coverage in independent, reliable sources. There are a couple of articles in a hyper-local village newsletter ([12], [13]), another WP:SPS ([14]), and a self-published as-told-to quasi-autobiography. As for WP:ANYBIO #1, I looked into her Fellowship in the Royal Society of Arts, but it's not a rare honor (there are 31,000 active Fellows) and can be acquired by online application and payment of a fee. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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@Dclemens1971: Hello. I understand. However, what I do not understand is how some articles such as this one are accepted but not others. This seems like discrimination. There are people as notable as Peggy Batchelor or less notable than her who have pages. Please explain. Spectritus (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's not discrimination in any way. It's about independent, secondary, reliable sources. IMDB isn't a reliable source. Wendover News is not likely an independent source. Peggy Batchelor's as-told-to, self-published autobiography is not a reliable, independent, or secondary sources. Pointing to WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS doesn't make Batchelor any more notable. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Dclemens1971: Doesn't the fact someone wrote a book about her make her notable enough? Also, may I ask how users are supposed to find sources if Wikipedia condemns almost all of them?
- The author wrote a book "as told to" her, which means it's basically Peggy Batchelor talking about herself, and thus not independent. And the biography was published by AuthorHouse, which is a vanity press and thus it's a WP:SELFPUBLISHED source and not reliable. English Wikipedia does not condemn
almost all
sources; it has specific standards, and the ones you used in this article don't meet them. If you have questions about individual sources or sourcing more generally, please visit WP:RSN. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- The author wrote a book "as told to" her, which means it's basically Peggy Batchelor talking about herself, and thus not independent. And the biography was published by AuthorHouse, which is a vanity press and thus it's a WP:SELFPUBLISHED source and not reliable. English Wikipedia does not condemn
- @Dclemens1971: Doesn't the fact someone wrote a book about her make her notable enough? Also, may I ask how users are supposed to find sources if Wikipedia condemns almost all of them?
- Delete: Zero coverage found for this individual, acting roles are minor, would not pass notability for actors. A voice role in Doctor Who isn't the stuff of notability. Oaktree b (talk) 19:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete She was featured in only 1-2 episodes of each TV show she was in and played relatively minor roles in films. The article itself seems to be fixated on the (likely original research) trivia of her having once been the oldest person who had been a cast member of Doctor Who, which as we discussed in this AfD, isn't particularly relevant or notable. Waddles 🗩 🖉 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note I agree this would be better in draft space. She also had a stage career, which has not been included in the article yet. I am sourcing and adding references and information, and will then consider whether she meets notability guidelines. If she is, the article needs editing, as it reads more like a eulogy than an encyclopaedic entry. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:14, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. Spectritus (talk) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Having found and added sources, I think that she does meet WP:BASIC. There are multiple, independent sources, some substantial, some less so, but they add up. There is coverage across her life in both national newspapers and local papers around the UK (around England, and also Northern Ireland and Scotland). The article could still use some work - I'll work on the lede and info box. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I cannot view the many British Newspaper Archive links you added since I don't subscribe and it's not available through the Wikipedia Library. However, I looked at a few of the other links you added and they don't seem to add up:
- A mention of her name in a radio programme cast
- A single mention in a local newspaper's stage play review:
Outstanding performer in a capable cast was Peggy Batchelor who admirably sustained her role of a fussy specimen of nice womanhood with mothering tendencies towards the male Godfrey Bond turned in a splendid piece of characterisation of tne class beloved to English comedy writers the butler who is incapable of being surprised and is always adequate to meet all emergencies
- A user-generated source on the history of a local theater club
- A single reference in a local news story
- None of these adds up to WP:SIGCOV. Can you better characterize the British Newspaper Archive sources so editors can properly evaluate them? Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:09, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- As I wrote, I think that she meets WP:BASIC - "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." The number of times a source is referenced gives an idea of the amount of detail in the sources - the profiles of her published in newspapers in Tyne and Wear and Cambridgeshire are particularly detailed, while the Belfast source has a bit less. There is more detail in The Stage article about the drama school she founded in Essex that I have not included. There is coverage over many years - 1925, 1938, 1947 all deriving from her appearances at the Wembley Tattoo; 1946-1966 in stage shows; 1970s-1980s as founder of a drama school and as a nationally recognised adjudicator.
- You mention that being a Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts is not a rare honour. Being a Fellow of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama is - information online [15] states "The Guildhall School offers the following honorary awards for distinguished services to the School and to the profession: the FGSM (Fellow of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama), awarded to distinguished professors, examiners and past students and the Hon GSM (Honorary Member of the Guildhall School of Music and Drama), awarded for services to music or drama and to the Guildhall School. Limited to 100 holders at any one time." That is an indication of her professional standing, in addition to the news coverage about her.
- I am not suggesting that all the sources contribute to notability - 3 of those you link to provide evidence of facts in the article (her appearances in two radio programmes; the date she left the drama school she founded; the facts that she taught at drama festivals as well as adjudicating, and that she worked at drama festivals in Wales as well as England and N. Ireland). RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:34, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I cannot view the many British Newspaper Archive links you added since I don't subscribe and it's not available through the Wikipedia Library. However, I looked at a few of the other links you added and they don't seem to add up:
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- Info about sources More info about the sources was requested, so here is the text of the main sources I have found from the 1970s-90s. (Numbers are the current reference numbers in the article.) I included quotes in the article from reviews of her appearances in the 1940s and 50s. As I said above, there is coverage across her life (from 1925-2020) in both national publications and local papers around the UK (from the north-east, east, south-east and south-west of England, as well as Northern Ireland).
- 1 Next to results of the Ryton Music Festival in the Gateshead Post (in north-east England), a photo of Peggy Batchelor and the following text: "Woman in the festival hot seat PEGGY BATCHELOR F G S M, L G S M who has been adjudicator in the Drama Sections at Ryton Music Festival has had a lifelong association with the Arts, gaining basic training at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama and touring many countries during the war with ENSA companies. She then became a founder member of Arts Council West of England Theatre Company followed by radio cabaret and other theatre engagements. Eventually she returned to the Guildhall to become a Professor of Drama and an Examiner for the school. She opened her own school in Essex which she named after a professor who had been such an influence on her life - the Ridley Arts Educational School and Studios."
- 2 In a Cambridgeshire newspaper (in East Anglia / the east of England), with a photo of Pegggy Batchelor: "To judge the drama THE ADJUDICATOR for this week's Huntingdon Carnival Drama Festival and the “Weekly News" Drama Awards is Peggy Batchelor. Her life has always been associated with the arts - her mother sang at Sadlers Wells and Covent Garden and her father sang semi-professionally. She studied at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama and obtained her performer's diploma. This where she first met Dame Sybil Thorndike who remained a friend. During the war Peggy travelled the world with ENSA companies both as a solo artist and in plays appearing with such people as Vera Lynne George Formby Gracie Fields and many others. After the war she became a founder member of an Arts Council company in the West Country, the company that fostered the talents of Joan Plowright, Edgar Wreford, Charles Jarrott, Malcolm Pride and others. She was invited to appear in a "Scrapbrook" programme for the BBC with Charles Cochran who had known her when she was a child actress dancing before visiting VIPs including most of the crowned heads of Europe. This broadcast led her to being cast in the "Gilbert and Sullivan" series and from that to two years with the BBC. Eventually Peggy decided to concentrate on teaching. She returned to the Guildhall School where she gained her Ministry of Education qualification. She was invited to become an examiner and then a professor of drama. In 1956 she founded the Ridley Studios named after a Guildhall professor who had been such an influence on her life and two years later the Ridley Arts Educational School. She was honoured in 1973 by being made a Fellow of the Guildhall. It is as a member of the Guild of Adjudicators that Peggy is taking part in the Huntingdon Festival which opened at the Commemoration Hall in the town yesterday (Wednesday). There are still tickets left for tonight's and tomorrow's performances which start at 730pm. They cost £1.50 and can be bought at the door. Seven groups are taking part in the festival of one act plays all competing for the best one act play shield and best actor and actress trophies."
- 12 In the Bucks Herald (in south-east England), three photos of Peggy Batchelor with the text: "Thrills on and off the stage. The real life of actress Peggy Batchelor has been more eventful than that of the characters portrayed in her theatrical roles. She survived a wartime torpedo strike in the Med and being mauled by a tiger to be reunited with the RAF officer parted from her 40 years earlier by war. She tells ALEC BROWN of her adventures. FOR Peggy Batchelor the thrill of working alongside stars on stage, radio and television could only be surpassed by teaching. But it is her acting career, from entertaining the troops during the war to Shakespeare plays and a television soap opera, that has given her great richness of experience to draw on. Peggy, of Mill Mead, Wendover, has spent more than 20 years teaching drama skills. She set up and ran the Ridley Arts Educational School in Leighon-Sea, Essex, and now teaches at the Arts Educational School, Tring, and privately. She also adjudicates for exams, lectures and gives recitals throughout Britain, Ireland and in Hong Kong. Her career began as a schoolgirl in Leigh-on-Sea when she joined an amateur dramatic society. As a teenager she trained at the Guildhall School of Drama, London, where she is now an examiner. World War Two interrupted her studies and she joined ENSA — the Entertainments National Services Association. It was then she starred alongside big names like Vera Lynn, Gracie Fields, George Formby, and David Nixon, who later became famous as a television magician. “Vera Lynn was fantastic,” said Peggy. She would go off in a jeep and wherever there were a few men, she would just stop and sing to them. “Some of the ENSA artists were just so brave and really great people. You were all the same — nobody was treated as a star, you all worked together.” After touring hospitals in Britain, Peggy went to West Africa and was on her way to Egypt with ENSA when their boat was torpedoed in the Mediterranean Sea. They spent seven hours in a lifeboat before being picked up. “Between all the work and sometimes rather tragic and uncomfortable situations there were also all these great maments of seeing wonderful places and meeting interesting people,” said Peggy. Then she joined a company which toured India, entertaining troops who were stopping the Japanese advance. She got to know the director of the Tatanagor Steelworks and his two pet tigers. She had loved the animals from childhood and often played with the two pets. But one day one of the tigers turned on her and mauled her. in carbolic and a stay in hospital luckily left her just with scars. But she still loves tigers. In hospital she met an RAF officer in the Medical Corps, who comforted her when she was having terrible nightmares. They formed a close bond but were separated by the war. Then, in 1984, Arthur, by then an Air Commodore, traced Peggy after his wife had died. “We knew it was love and we married,” said Peggy. After the war, she had joined a stage company formed from the ranks of the RAF, which included Bob Monkhouse. Peggy left them to join the West of England Theatre Company, whose president was J.B. Priestley. He picked her for the lead in his play She Came to the City. They also performed Shakespeare, Chekov and Noel Coward plays. In the 1950s she worked for BBC Radio in programmes like Dick Barton and Mrs Dale’s Diary, and on stage as part of a comic double act with Benny Hill. There were also parts at the Savoy Theatre, and Victorian variety shows at the Players Theatre alongside budding thespians like Clive Dunn and Hattie Jacques. In the 1960s she trained as a teacher and set up the Ridley School, which she fitted in with theatre tours and television work, including a part in Emergency Ward 10. Her last tour before giving up to concentrate on teaching was with Shelagh Delaney’s A Taste of Honey. Peggy now has an extensive his! of posts, including member of the Guild of Drama Adjudicators, vicechairman of the Society of Teachers of Speech and Drama and vice president of Aylesbury Arts Festival. As a member of the British Federation of Music Festivals, she met the Queen last summer at the federation’s 70th anniversary celebrations. She feels teaching is the most rewarding part of her career. “I feel communicating is so terribly important, and when you can see somebody blossom and gain confidence, it is so satisfying.” But she has not forgotten her past: “It's lovely going on stage and getting applause at the end. Once on stage, you forget yourself completely. I loved it.”
- 13 In the Belfast Telegraph (in Ireland), with a photo of Peggy Batchelor with two of the competitors from the sonnet recital class: "Festival talent is praised by actress. NOEL COWARD, Vera Lynn. George Formby, Gracie Fields are among the greats with whom Peggy Batchelor has worked. And this week the English actress is judging at Belfast Musical Festival. Yesterday she began hearing the "small fry" - the young children's verse-speaking - and was impressed. "The standards here are always high because of the excellent teaching. I've been a regular visitor in the past to the Belfast Festival and never have any besitation in visiting Northern Ireland," she said. Peggy has led an eventful life and one of the famous stories about her concerns Noel Coward. When she acted in India some years ago, she was mauled by a tiger, but soon recovered. Coward heard about it and said to her: "Not during the performance, my dear?" Peggy toured with ENSA during the Second World War, but later she turned to teaching and became a professor of drama at the Guildhall School. She pays tribute to the advice of Dame Sybil Thorndike at the school. Dame Sybil, she said, had remained a lifelong friend ever since. The English actress was honoured in 1973, when she was made a Fellow of Guildhall, a distinction shared with such artists as Andre Previn. Dame Janet Baker and Dame Peggy Ashcroft."
- 26 In The Stage, "'21-Not Out' Southend TWENTY-ONE years ago actress and teacher Peggy Batchelor started Ridley Schools and Studios, now the leading private-enterprise school and dramatic academy in Essex. It was fitting to mark the occasion with a new revue, that genuinely reviewed the problems, like expan sion. and the triumphs, like playing in Berlin, and recording "Oliver" for an American record company. In her brief speech, she forecast the new Ridley Arts Club as the latest addition. The revue, "21 Not Out", at the Cliffs Pavilion, Southend, was cle verly devised by Dennis Boxley and directed by Peggy Batchelor and the faculty, to tell the story, give scope to fifty adults and twenty children, and cover drama, music, mime, opera and choral speaking. Essen tially modern, the direction and choreography were inventive, vibrant and fluent. Among those outstanding were Roland Darvell, Paul Clark and Michael Small. J.K.M."
- 27 is accessible online.
- RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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- List of United States cities by percentage of white population (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Multiple comments on the talk page and pre-existing notability tag. I don't know if it's fixable because there is no explanation of the subject, no secondary sources and the text has two different lists (whites and non-hispanic whites for the largest fifteen cities and cities with the largest white populations). The talk page was not very useful with no response to comments from editors. Antignomi (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - Generally speaking, white is a skin color. Irish is ethnicity. etc. For example, a lot of Hispanics have white skin and consider themselves white. A lot of other Hispanics have variations of brown or black skin. Please see Category:Lists of United States populated places by ethnic group and Category:White Americans. And a lot of people in the United States, or anywhere else, have mixed heritage and cannot be identified by one category. This whole category of lists needs to be cleaned up, or deleted. This is just a big mess of second guessing groups by skin color. This just doesn't feel right. — Maile (talk) 03:26, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Annmarie Hanlon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:ACADEMIC. — Moriwen (talk) 20:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:Prof#C1 in a high-cited area. Not enough for GNG. It would have been helpful if the nominator had given more results of their WP:Before search. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC).
- Keep. Meets notability criteria #4. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.
- According to World Cat the digital marketing textbook is available in 197 libraries. Translation into Greek is unusual (and I imagine this requires a lot of effort) which further indicates its impact. Teacher2019 (talk) 14:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- The author is one of a small group of female authors of business textbooks - see https://www.ft.com/content/beb77be1-f735-45e9-82cb-ec834eb39565 which takes you to https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/joe.karaganis2705/viz/BusinessSchoolTeaching/Dashboard1 Teacher2019 (talk) 14:31, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:NACADEMIC, WP:GNG. There is an attempt to meet ACADEMIC criterion 7(a) with her quotes in media organizations, but these are relatively few (and multiple of them in deprecated/unreliable outlets per WP:RSP), so I don't see a pass there. Her H-index of 10 is on the low side for someone at her career level and in her field. As for the claim that she meets criterion 4, there's no evidence that having a book in 197 libraries is unusually high or significant (I doubt it is given the literally tens of thousands of higher education institutions there are worldwide), and there's no evidence that translation of a book into another language is notable, particularly in an era of machine-assisted translation. I'm confused by the FT and Tableau sources offered above, neither of which mention Hanlon at all. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Interesting points.
- She joined academia relatively recently, so it's not surprising the H index is 10. The longer you've worked in academia, the higher the index.
- The book was translated into Greek by scholars, not machines.
- The FT and Tableau sources serve to show the volume of female / male authors in this area. Over 90% are male.
- Teacher2019 (talk) 09:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- This argument is irrelevant to the question of her notability, since the sources do not mention her at all, and that's what we're looking for. There is no notability criterion for "
female author of business textbook
." Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- This argument is irrelevant to the question of her notability, since the sources do not mention her at all, and that's what we're looking for. There is no notability criterion for "
- Interesting points.
- Comment I have added two reviews of her books, but am thus far not able to find more. These may help her meet WP:AUTHOR, but more reviews would be needed. DaffodilOcean (talk) 17:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. A couple of short reviews for her textbooks and being quoted in a few publications as an expert is something, but not enough to meet WP:NPROF or WP:AUTHOR in my view. MCE89 (talk) 23:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Al-Shifa ambulance airstrike (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails NOTNEWS. The article does not contain any sources published more than a day or two after the attack, and a BEFORE check confirmed the lack of LASTING coverage. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:54, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Strong Keep. Meets WP:GNG and very obviously notable. This particular strike was mentioned in dozens of WP:RSs. And there is WP:LASTING coverage. This strike was mentioned as recently as six days ago by Doctors Without Borders (see here). Helleniac (talk) 23:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Helleniac: I wouldn't consider a list of every single attack on medical facilities to be significant lasting coverage. Are there any other sources you could cite to show lasting coverage? Thanks, QuicoleJR (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Here is another source, this time from CNN, for lasting coverage from about 3 months after the attack (see here). Helleniac (talk) 01:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see where that source specifically mentions this attack. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Attaching excerpt:
- "On the same day, an Israeli airstrike hit a convoy of ambulances, which hospital authorities said were being used to evacuate the wounded, including one outside the entrance of Al-Shifa, killing 15 people and wounding 60 others. Videos from the scene, verified by CNN, showed about a dozen people lying bloodied and motionless. Garlasco, who analyzed the footage, said that cubic fragmentation could be seen on the ambulance door, as well as the clothes of people killed and wounded, which was consistent with aftermath from an Israeli Spike anti-tank guided missile." Helleniac (talk) 02:04, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't see where that source specifically mentions this attack. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Here is another source, this time from CNN, for lasting coverage from about 3 months after the attack (see here). Helleniac (talk) 01:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Helleniac: I wouldn't consider a list of every single attack on medical facilities to be significant lasting coverage. Are there any other sources you could cite to show lasting coverage? Thanks, QuicoleJR (talk) 23:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. Meets WP:GNG and very obviously notable. This particular strike was mentioned in dozens of WP:RSs. And there is WP:LASTING coverage. This strike was mentioned as recently as six days ago by Doctors Without Borders (see here). Helleniac (talk) 23:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Another WP:LASTING mention of the attack four months after the fact by Human Rights Watch:
- "Human Rights Watch documented a strike by Israeli forces on a marked ambulance outside al-Shifa Hospital on November 3, 2023, which reportedly killed 15 people and injured 60.[1] Ambulances are protected civilian objects under international humanitarian law and cannot be targeted when used to treat wounded and sick individuals, both civilian and combatant. Israeli authorities said they intentionally struck the ambulance, contending that it was being used to transport able-bodied fighters. Human Rights Watch investigated these claims and did not find any evidence that the ambulance was being used for military purposes." Helleniac (talk) 03:12, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Zero coverage in any non-news sources that aren't from the time of the attack. They reported on the news, then moved on. I don't think this is different than any other similar attack, is this long, terrible war. Oaktree b (talk) 23:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't WP:INTHENEWS, and similitude to other events does not invalidate the notability of the coverage. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep This event meets GNG. It was covered extensively in RS when it happened and has been mentioned in reports about attacks on healthcare multiple times between 14 Nov 2023 to 31 Dec 2024. See: HRW, HRW 2, CNN, Journal of Palestine Studies, Forensic Architecture, MSF, UN. The airstrike was witnessed by the journalist Bisan Owda and her coverage was mentioned in December 2024 and May 2024 by New Arab and the Peabody Awards. Photos of the aftermath of the attack have appeared with captions in December 2023 and March 2024 in NPR and Mondoweiss Rainsage (talk) 08:50, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: The basic premise of the filing is simply false. Aside from the significant breadth of the coverage, it was already covered WP:INDEPTH as early as 7 November by HRW as a potential war crime. It was then mentioned again on 14 November by HRW, so already much more than "a day or two" after, and the coverage has only continued from there. It is mentioned in this 22 January paper in the Springer journal of Intensive Care Medicine. Rainsage flags many more instances of subsequent analytical coverage. If a WP:BEFORE check was indeed performed for this page with 35+ RS references, it must have been perfunctory and ineffectual. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- CleanMyMac (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Repost of previously deleted and salted material. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep Noting first this failed WP:G4, and though I can't access the deleted page, I will both (a) trust User: Justlettersandnumbers' judgement on this one that it is 'not closely similar' [16] to the version previously deleted, but more significantly (b) make the argument for a keep as the software has since gained significant coverage. Procedurally it may not have been done correctly, but the content seems up to snuff, with additional room for improvement. Snowycats (talk) 03:38, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note. I've restored the deleted revisions of the page so that others can verify for themselves how similar or dissimilar the recent version is to the previous ones. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yola people (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There is no evidence for there ever being a separate 'Yola people'. There is one source that calls the inhabitants of Barony of Forth as Forthers, but that is the same as calling the inhabitants of Galway Galwegians; it's a simple exonym for the people. Outside of that one link, neither of the other two linked sources gives any reference to the people being considered separate. Indeed, one is on farming during the Famine in general, and one is on the last collector of the Forth and Bargy dialect of Middle English. Neither pertain to the 'Yola people' at all. This article is filled with uncited original research, and doesn't meet Wikipedia criteria. Sionnachnaréaltaí (talk) 22:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: The Yola dialect page is detailed and has more sources including this short 10m RTE documentary. It seems to me the article could be improved rather than deleted D1551D3N7 (talk) 00:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The issue is the Yola dialect page only pertains to the dialect itself, of which there's a lot more information. There's no sources that discuss its speakers ever considering themselves or being considered by others as a distinct ethnic group. The *only* Google Scholar article that shows up when Googling 'Yola People' is Browne's dictionary - and then it's because it has 'A Yola Zong' included in it as well as the word 'people'; no connection between the two. There's basically no sources to use to improve this article, because it's all original research and there is and was no evidence of it being considered separate.
- There's not any evidence on them ever being considered a distinct people. Even Diarmaid Ó Muirithe, who was the reporter on the piece you linked, doesn't call them that in any of his other sources. The only first-page Google result is a Politics.ie forum thread. There's just no sources out there that *can* be used to improve this, as, well, there was never a distinction between them. And the existing sources on it don't show that either. Sionnachnaréaltaí (talk) 12:17, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge and redirect the (frankly somewhat limited) cited text to Yola dialect. Likely to the "history" section. Which already covers much of the same content/context. While I don't necessarily agree with the nominator's suggestion that there is "no evidence for there ever being a separate [group]", the simple fact is that - from what I can tell - there is insufficient reliable/independent sources to support the text of this article. Or to expand it. As a standalone title. I propose merging/redirecting as an WP:ATD-R. Because (a) most/all of the sources (and therefore the text) of the article deal with the language/dialect (rather than the people who speak it), (b) what limited text there is on other cultural elements (mumming, patterns, etc) isn't cited and doesn't address how many of these activities are/were also undertaken elsewhere in Ireland (and could, if cited, be covered in summary in the proposed target), and (c) the "rest" of the article is mostly just context. The same context we find in the Yola dialect article. This level of overlap (in sourcing, context and text) means that all of the WP:MERGEREASONs apply.... Guliolopez (talk) 10:10, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think there's much to merge. Most of the stuff that isn't already in the Yola dialect article is uncited, or wouldn't pertain to the dialect (.i. farming habits of the Baronies). I'd welcome any sourced stuff on the dialect to be merged however. Sionnachnaréaltaí (talk) 12:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - There is no evidence to suggest these people ever existed as a separate ethnic group. The word 'Yola' used to describe the dialect of this area is very recent and probably a misunderstanding of 'a yola song' which means 'an old song'. Many of the traditions mentioned here such as mumming and patterns aren't unique to the area and barely anything in the entire article is sourced. Most importantly, no description in any sources can support describing these people as 'an ethnic group' and any discussion of a unique identity or cultural practices would be better in History of County Wexford. MolingLuachra (talk) 13:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Article consists entirely of OR. Reliable sources make no mention of a "Yola people", using terms like "Old English" instead. Zacwill (talk) 14:39, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Prisca Coborn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails NBIO. NBIO requires that biography subjects be "worthy of notice" or "note"—that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded"
I am just not seeing evidence that this person is particularly remarkable or passes WP:GNG. The last source (The Coborn Centre for Adolescent Mental Health website) doesn't have any coverage of Coborn. Eastendtalking (archived copy [17]) looks like a self-published website that doesn't count towards notability. The History of County of Middlesex source only briefly mentions Prisca in a couple of sentences in the context of her founding the school and I would only consider it passing coverage. A search on scholar brings up no additional sigcov [18]. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Some brief mentions [19], but I don't see any biographical info, or much of anything to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. A rare case of a pre-20th-century, non-noble woman who achieved lasting memory for her actions. There are book sources, of which the best is a 1900 documentation of Bow Church, which adds her death date from her memorial and the detail that she was the daughter of a minister there. Her name was also memorialised at St Barts. There are at least 3 spellings of her married name (and some confusion with "Priscilla"), but the main problem with the article was it had been expanded by an IP in 2017 with a slab of essayistic and unreferenced prose, and a secondary problem is Google Books can't handle composite volumes with repeated page numbers (or books with a slab of unnumbered plate pages, I suspect). I've fixed the article up with more references, but I don't think we should set the bar very high for biographical details in such cases. Yngvadottir (talk) 00:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Liu Yali (skier) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A contested prod that was made a redirect. I contested redirect here:Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_6#Liu_Yali_(skier). Someone correctly pointed out there is no proper single target, as she competed in three events. She still fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 22:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect, per WP:ATD, to China at the 1992 Winter Olympics#Alpine skiing, where this skier's three events are conveniently tabulated together, thus constituting a "proper single target". Ingratis (talk) 09:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Tyrolean Music Station (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I am not sure to what extent this topic is real or WP:HOAX; it is based on a photocopy of a purported 1975 French magazine article that in turn is hosted on a user-generated shortwave radio conspiracy site. The only discussion I could find of this topic is on said conspiracy site and another self-published newsletter. Recordings purported to be from this station also appeared on a CD, but that's a primary source. Not finding any secondary, independent, reliable sources to show this subject passes WP:GNG. But any time an article has to have "(speculated)
" in an infobox, we're out of WP:V territory. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:54, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- P. Shanmugam (CPIM) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Becoming the president of a political party’s state or national unit does not inherently confer notability. The subject fails WP:GNG as no significant coverage has been found beyond the news of their appointment as the state unit president, making it a case of WP:BIO1E. Additionally, the subject fails WP:NPOL as they are not an MLA or MP. GrabUp - Talk 18:49, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep : Multiple reliable sources have covered P. Shanmugam. Hence this article definitely meets notability criteria. It meets WP:GNG and hence it can be added by WP:NPOL as Wikipedia writes : "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline". XYZ 250706 (talk) 13:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Besides P. Shanmugam is the secretary of the Tamil Nadu Unit and member of Central Committee of CPIM which is one of the only six national parties of India (which can soon be one of the only six as BSP can soon lose the status). XYZ 250706 (talk) 14:01, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Besides this article includes citations on his student activism, farmers's movement leadership including the historic 2020-21 Farmers protest in India, struggles for upliftment of Dalits and tribals and the event of getting Ambedkar Award. This article also includes citation on formation of a panel including him. He is often called the hero for the justice for the victims of Vachathi case. XYZ 250706 (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Secretary of a political party is not covered by NPOL. The only reliable coverage is the first source, that's not enough for our purposes to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Marko Soldo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This footballer has mostly played in the lower leagues of Austria and does not seem that notable. Only played 3.5 match for Wolfsberger. I was able to find a story about a "horror injury" and a subsequent local transfer announcement on a lower level. Note that Marko Soldo is also the name of a much more notable Croatian footballer. Geschichte (talk) 21:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Anita Hassanandani filmography (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I think it's best to merge the article with this one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Hassanandani Pollia (talk) 21:48, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Weak delete. The only problem I find is that it'd make the original article a bit too long.--Gilc (talk) 21:54, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Shivkrupanand Swami (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Recreated following deletion in 2020; sources continue not to support WP:GNG/WP:NBIO. Sources are:
- Sponsored content (Forbes "BrandConnect")
- Unbylined WP:NEWSORGINDIA promo ([20], [21])
- WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS or non-mentions ([22], [23], [24])
More of the same is all that comes up in WP:BEFORE search: [25], [26], [27]. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - I agree with the above source analysis Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 21:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Very much PROMO, this is typical [28], rest of the sources are as explained aobve. I don't see enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Current article primarily relies on Indian media sources(WP:NEWSORGINDIA), many of which have questionable reliability. The Forbes India article explicitly mentions that it is a "Brand Post," meaning it is a paid article. Therefore, the article completely fails to meet WP:GNG. Baqi:) (talk) 11:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Josseline Louise Marie da Silva Gbony (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable diplomat; fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:NPOL. (Ambassadors are not inherently notable.) Sources in this article and in de-wiki are a mix of WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs, WP:PRIMARYSOURCEs and WP:ROUTINE coverage; I find no WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable, secondary sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- List of near-Earth asteroids by distance from Sun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Poorly maintained, no notability for this list, and it simply isn't feasible to list all near-Earth asteroids since there are over 37,000 known according to the Minor Planet Center. You can find a list of all NEOs by semi-major axis from the Sun more easily via JPL's SBDB query. Wikipedia isn't a database. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 20:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY unless some additional constraints are added. For example, make it a list with a size requirement. The list would be significantly shorter if it only showed asteroids of 1 km or larger.[29] Praemonitus (talk) 22:28, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete – per nom and Praemonitus's comment. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate repository for statistics, so unless some constraints were added to make this list practical to readers, this has to go. ArkHyena (it/its) 22:37, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per the above. How has this survived for 20 years?! Renerpho (talk) 00:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Naftali Schiff (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. The article reads a lot like a CV. The piece "Rabbi Naftali Schiff: Aish UK's wonderwall" by The Jewish Chronicle might be one source that counts towards notability, but other than that, I haven't been able to find much. Mooonswimmer 15:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Weak keep. Thanks for the nomination -- I had thought about AfDing this article when originally creating Josef Lewkowicz. Most of the sources currently in the article are poor, and it needs a WP:TNT. But there are multiple, in-depth profiles in the Jewish Chronicle and Jewish News over the years [30], [31], [32], multiple=page coverage in a book [33], with additional coverage of Schiff role in his charities [34], [35], [36], that could suffice for notability. Longhornsg (talk) 16:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete as a professional at work. Misses the bar of the GNG. gidonb (talk) 03:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per sources provided by Longhornsg. Whizkin (talk) 19:57, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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- JCC Maccabi Youth Games (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Redirect to parent org Maccabi World Union, where it is better contextualized. Youth version of the notable Maccabiah Games. Longhornsg (talk) 16:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge (highly selectively) into Jewish Community Center. I do not see it mentioned at the target so the proposed redirect is not really an option. Plus, it's basically a program of the Jewish Community Centers, in collaboration with Maccabi. No objection to delete either. gidonb (talk) 03:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Shree Tribhuvan Secondary School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SCHOOLOUTCOME or WP:NSCHOOL, sources are not independent and don’t provide SIGCOV coverage. GrabUp - Talk 17:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: A very old government school serving rural part of Nepal. Such institutions hardly have good media coverage. Rahmatula786 (talk) 03:50, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Mathieu Ostiguy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable figure skater; absolutely does not meet the criteria of WP:NSKATE, with zero senior-level competition and zero junior-level international medal placements. Despite the volume of provided sources, most of those are competition results and databases, and what isn't appears to mostly be skating blogs. I'll let the community decide whether what's there qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: Of the sources uncovered in this discussion, I don't think the first three sources are WP:SIGCOV as they are all routine announcements and/or just a few sentences. The Journal deChambly articles look good, but I'd like to see at least one more source from another outlet before voting keep. Let'srun (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- There is some more at [42] from Le Monteregion.com. It's not perfect and focuses on him and his skating partner and its got quite a bit of interview in it, but there are details too about their career etc.Canary757 (talk) 07:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Battle of Arbijan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Likely hoax or misreading of sources. I searched in English Arabic and Turkish and found no sources at all. Creator has a record of writing dubious battle articles that get deleted. The second isbn number is dummy and the first one is real but inaccessibile. Mccapra (talk) 20:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- I did not misread the sources and I share them on sites like X as much as I can. Since some of the books are printed in Turkish, their English pages may not match, but I can prove this with visuals. Kurya Khan (talk) 20:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- [43] Kurya Khan (talk) 20:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- As you can see, I have confirmed the sources I provided. It is not true that the information I gave is a scam. If you wish, you can read the links I sent you and see that I wrote the truth. Kurya Khan (talk) 20:28, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- 712 Battle of Samarkand.. Kurya Khan (talk) 20:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @HistoryofIran I have provided links to Turkish and English sources regarding the battle, and i can give you more if you wish. It is a completely inadequate conclusion that the article is a hoax and i request that it not be deleted Kurya Khan (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I assume you meant to tag Mccapra? The first two links are Twitter posts and the third is a page of a book which doesn't even mention Arbijan. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Twitter links because this is how I was able to post Turkish sources with visuals. The third one says that the Turks were defeated in Samarkand in 712. Kurya Khan (talk) 21:18, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Please read WP:CITE, WP:VER and WP:NOTABLE. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Twitter links because this is how I was able to post Turkish sources with visuals. The third one says that the Turks were defeated in Samarkand in 712. Kurya Khan (talk) 21:18, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I assume you meant to tag Mccapra? The first two links are Twitter posts and the third is a page of a book which doesn't even mention Arbijan. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @HistoryofIran I have provided links to Turkish and English sources regarding the battle, and i can give you more if you wish. It is a completely inadequate conclusion that the article is a hoax and i request that it not be deleted Kurya Khan (talk) 20:44, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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No independent/reliable sources: all churnalism, paid PR pieces, interviews, or promos. qcne (talk) 19:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: At least a few of the references seem acceptable, including American Banker, L.A. Business First and Entrepreneur, as well as https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/aug/2/to-boost-donations-to-nonprofits-damar-hamlin-enco/ (published in the Washington Times, which I don't trust, but written by the Associated Press, which _is_ trustworthy). I would keep it and try to reduce the use of the word "visionary". Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify or delete. I've cleaned out most of the obvious paid placement and blackhat SEO sources. Article was written by an obvious paid editor that's likely part of a larger recent ring associated with a few SEO firms. AB and AP is fine, but mostly about the company. The Entrepreneur piece was written as part of their paid placement contributor blog program, similar to the useless Forbes and USAToday contributor pieces which disclaim involvement or fact-checking from the publication's editors. Sam Kuru (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NLIST. There are no sources that are in-depth that talk about the list as a whole. There is also a category for the awards so list is unnecessary as navigation already exists. CNMall41 (talk) 19:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Non-notable company; WP:PROMO article refunded after soft deletion. Still fails WP:NCORP; sources in article and BEFORE search are a mix of WP:ORGTRIV on capital raises and financial results; and unreliable, promotional and unbylined WP:NEWSORGINDIA sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:54, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Alerted to the article by WP:FTN. Apparently already deleted from Russian WP for lack of reliable sources, the sources being used in this article seem similarly unreliable. Maybe we could have a section in tinfoil hat or something? Maybe? Color me dubious. jps (talk) 18:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge into Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note: Previous !votes on the last AfD in favor of keeping this article claimed that there were sources discoverable, but the reliability of those sources are questionable. Just because a source exists is not enough. Reliability is paramount when it comes for WP:FRINGE subjects. jps (talk) 18:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- If there are still questionable sources in the article, they should be tagged? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think all of the sources are questionable? That is why there is a tag at the top. jps (talk) 18:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- That tag says "Some of this article's listed sources may not be reliable." So not exactly in line with your view. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Is there a better tag for "All of this article's listed sources may not be reliable"? jps (talk) 19:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- For the removal of any doubt, it might be better to just tag them all individually? I'm not aware that's prohibited. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Done jps (talk) 21:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- For the removal of any doubt, it might be better to just tag them all individually? I'm not aware that's prohibited. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Is there a better tag for "All of this article's listed sources may not be reliable"? jps (talk) 19:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- That tag says "Some of this article's listed sources may not be reliable." So not exactly in line with your view. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think all of the sources are questionable? That is why there is a tag at the top. jps (talk) 18:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- If there are still questionable sources in the article, they should be tagged? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete It's been almost two years. If reliable sources were out there, they would have been found by now. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 18:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect to Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev#Kozyrev mirror. Even the WP:FRIND sources I could find [44] only give it a passing mention, and that's not enough to construct a stand-alone article. - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge into Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev.Halbared (talk) 19:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect to Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev#Kozyrev mirror as suggested above, while merging no content. Material that is supported only by unreliable sources is not compliant with policy, and so preserving it by a merge would be against policy. XOR'easter (talk) 20:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - No reliable sources. The section it is proposed to redirect to seems to have the same problem. Brunton (talk) 08:32, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Does not belong in Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev either because of WP:ONEWAY. If I invent something that is based on nonsense, then claim it is based on Einstein's theories and call it "Einstein perpetual motion machine", it does not belong in the Einstein article. Another reason why it does not belong there is that the sources do not become better just because they are in another article. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:18, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do you deny that such an entity was ever constructed, whatever nonsense it was based on? What should be included at Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev is a separate debate, of course. I was unaware of the "Einstein perpetual motion machine". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- No, I do not deny it; I have no idea whether it was constructed. There is no connection between existence and relevance for Wikipedia articles, so I do not see the relevance of the question.
What should be included at Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev is a separate debate
If the result is "merge", there needs to be content to be merged. If all the content of the current article is unuseable anywhere, there is no point to merging it, so it is not a separate debate.- And it is no wonder that you were unaware of something I invented on the spot for the purpose of reasoning on this page. --Hob Gadling (talk) 12:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how something you have invented is a valid argument. It looks a little like a straw man. There is already material about this subject at Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev, so I think it's perfectly fair that a separate discussion takes place about that at its Talk page. I am not trying to argue that the mere existence of anything justifies it having its own Wikipedia article. I'm trying to suggest that in this particular case some readers will want to know what a Kozyrev mirror is/was and why it might be described as "pseudoscience". Few people believe in the tarot, but we still have an article about it. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:19, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do you deny that such an entity was ever constructed, whatever nonsense it was based on? What should be included at Nikolai Aleksandrovich Kozyrev is a separate debate, of course. I was unaware of the "Einstein perpetual motion machine". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect to Nikolai_Aleksandrovich_Kozyrev#Kozyrev_mirror. There is no Russian-language article on the device, only Spanish and Latin. 5Q5|✉ 12:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- We don't judge the validity of en:wiki pages against their existence at other langauage wikis. There are 6,939,880 articles here. Not quite so many at the other language sites? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- What a Horrible Night to Have a Curse (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No WP:RS and does not meet WP:NMUSIC AVG555 (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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With the announcement of Fury's retirement, this is the last nail in the coffin. Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua is a non-event. This article is well-cited, well-written, but at the end of the day, the fight never happened. I question the encyclopedic notability of what amounts to be 5 years of rumours and failed negotiations. I'm not aware of any other article on Wikipedia which details a boxing match that never was. See also WP:ENCYCLOPEDIC: "Information should not be included solely because it is true." 162 etc. (talk) 17:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Fury's announcement is not a good reason to delete the article. He's announced his retirement four times before this and returned each time.--Jahalive (talk) 19:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:CRYSTALBALL:
Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place.
Astaire (talk) 20:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC) - Delete per WP:V and WP:CRYSTALBALL. The whole thing is non-starter in every sense. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 21:06, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Entirely promotional and no establishment of WP:SUSTAINED notability using WP:RS. Amigao (talk) 17:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. A products and services section is just ridiculous. TheOilSpillExpert (talk) 22:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: fails WP:NCORP, article is unsalvageable promotional content. Brandon (talk) 00:26, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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Should be deleted from English Wikipedia and re-made on Arabic Wikipedia Amigao (talk) 17:20, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment If it is already on the Arabic Wiki, then it can be speedy deleted per A2. However, the tag {{Not English}} can be placed there and translated for further review. Conyo14 (talk) 17:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: After translating the page, it seems that the article was written in part or in whole using an AI tool such as ChatGPT, based on its vocabulary biases. The article needs to be rewritten even now to match Wikipedia's editorial tone, that is, if it stays.
— Urro[talk][edits] ⋮ 20:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)- Dear Urro,
- Will keep in mind, and will re-edit it with neutral tone of Wikipedia. WalkerJ007 (talk) 04:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Dear Amigao,
- Thanks for your concern, Mike Sy wants to have its english version as well, as he has command over both languages and currently he is living in china and having more notable links that can be cited are in chinese.
- As I am friend of Mike Sy, We will proceed for english version in neutral tone, then we will amend arabic version as per english or if any senior wikipedian can do it for us that would be highly appreciated. WalkerJ007 (talk) 04:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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This man does not seem to be notable, the only content about him that are not from his own companies are podcasts interviews. 🄻🄰 16:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - WP:PROMOTION. Also delete User:Jwdoke/sandbox, as the draft for this article; possibly the same person as Ben Yennie. No other content was created by this user. — Maile (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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A WP:PROMO biography for a TikToker. The sources do not support WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. Quick analysis:
- Unbylined promo/churnalism recapping things he says in his own videos and thus WP:PRIMARYSOURCES: [45], [46], [47], [48]. Per WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA, this appears to be promo or paid placement w/r/t a biography.
- WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs in other sources, one of them also unbylined: [49], [50].
- Finally, one source (InfoMediaNG) my network won't let me open because the site's security is compromised -- not likely to be a reliable and robust source.
Didn't find anything else in my WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Delete. TheOilSpillExpert (talk) 22:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)Sock strike. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 13:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)- @TheOilSpillExpert can you explain why you chose delete? I believe your vote should be constructive. Opyquad (talk) 23:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Dclemens1971 Thank you for your constructive feedback. However, I addressed the issues you raised when the page was initially moved (by you) to draft status, and I ensured that all guidelines were strictly followed before moving it back to the Mainspace. Two, I have previously worked on pages that required more references, and I believe this is one of those pages that can be improved over time. BYLINE: The issue of whether an article is bylined or not should not be attributed to the writer since contributors on Wikipedia are volunteers, who are trying to make 'free knowledge' something of value to everyone who consumes information on this platform. Regarding the source InfomediaNG, I did not encounter any security issues while using it here. Moreover, I have seen other reliable platforms referencing the site, particularly for biographies and fact-checking-related content. Could it be that certain pages are restricted in your country? Opyquad (talk) 23:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Opyquad: All guidelines were not strictly followed, clearly. Regarding unbylined content, please review discussions at WP:RSN. News organizations in Nigeria are considered by many editors to publish promotional content that does not meet the bar of WP:RS, and content without bylines is particularly likely to be this kind of promotional material. Beyond that, the content is just churnalism based on recycling Clintianoo's social media statements into articles, which means the material is not independent since it's basically the subject's own words. I can't view InfoMediaNG since my network indicates the site hosts malicious malware and I have no desire to invite that onto my computer. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Dclemens1971 I have done my best to ensure that the article adds value to Wikipedia’s goals. No emotions involved! First, I do not agree with the proposition being advanced at WP:RSN that Nigerian newspapers should be “formally” deprecated. That is too harsh of a recommendation. In fact, some newspapers in Nigeria are dedicated to combating fake news and fact-checking claims made by other media outlets. The fact that some media organizations have published unverified claims should not be enough to categorize all Nigerian newspapers as unreliable.
- I have cited some of these newspapers in other articles I have published (here, here, and here), and there were no issues raised regarding the authenticity of the sources. My approach has always been to conduct thorough research on my subjects and write about them, especially when they are of public interest and have made significant impacts in their respective fields.
- I would encourage you to approach this matter with an open mind while applying the guidelines without any preconceived bias that Nigerian newspapers are inherently unreliable. As for the other source—InfomediaNG—it may be related to your system’s configuration, such as a firewall mistakenly flagging the site as a false positive. I have no such issue here.
- While it's understandable that some sources might be flagged due to instances of misinformation or promotional tone, it would be unfair to apply a blanket deprecation without assessing individual publications on a case-by-case basis. A balanced approach that recognizes both the strengths and weaknesses of various media outlets would better serve Wikipedia’s objective of providing accurate and well-rounded information. Encouraging editors to critically evaluate sources rather than outright dismissing them seems like a more constructive path forward.
- Thank you for your time. Opyquad (talk) 12:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Opyquad I don't agree with the proposal to deprecate all Nigerian sources either, but I do believe that given the problems identified, they must be carefully evaluated and that promotional or tabloid-type articles like the ones used in this article are inappropriate to establish notability. And are you using ChatGPT or another AI platform to write your responses? GPTZero gives your fourth paragraph a 100% probability of being AI-generated. Please use your own words to participate in discussions here. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Dclemens1971 AI cannot be relevant to my response here. To the main issue, similar sources have been cited in a similar page for Tiktok influencer in Nigeria. Opyquad (talk) 14:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's relevant in that AfD discussions are based on strength of argument, not on !votes. Because AIs have literally never proven themselves able to apply Wikipedia policies and guidelines to sources, AI-generated responses will usually be discounted by closers seeking to weigh the strength of argument. (I share this not for purpose of this argument but only for your own benefit as a Wikipedia editor and this will be my last word on the subject.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Dclemens1971 And I don't think an editor that generates their responses using AI is qualified to be a Wikipedia editor. Opyquad (talk) 14:37, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's relevant in that AfD discussions are based on strength of argument, not on !votes. Because AIs have literally never proven themselves able to apply Wikipedia policies and guidelines to sources, AI-generated responses will usually be discounted by closers seeking to weigh the strength of argument. (I share this not for purpose of this argument but only for your own benefit as a Wikipedia editor and this will be my last word on the subject.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:27, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Dclemens1971 AI cannot be relevant to my response here. To the main issue, similar sources have been cited in a similar page for Tiktok influencer in Nigeria. Opyquad (talk) 14:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Opyquad I don't agree with the proposal to deprecate all Nigerian sources either, but I do believe that given the problems identified, they must be carefully evaluated and that promotional or tabloid-type articles like the ones used in this article are inappropriate to establish notability. And are you using ChatGPT or another AI platform to write your responses? GPTZero gives your fourth paragraph a 100% probability of being AI-generated. Please use your own words to participate in discussions here. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:55, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Opyquad: All guidelines were not strictly followed, clearly. Regarding unbylined content, please review discussions at WP:RSN. News organizations in Nigeria are considered by many editors to publish promotional content that does not meet the bar of WP:RS, and content without bylines is particularly likely to be this kind of promotional material. Beyond that, the content is just churnalism based on recycling Clintianoo's social media statements into articles, which means the material is not independent since it's basically the subject's own words. I can't view InfoMediaNG since my network indicates the site hosts malicious malware and I have no desire to invite that onto my computer. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - All of the main sources cited are WP:NEWSORGNIGERIA or barely mention him. 🄻🄰 14:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- @लॉस एंजिल्स लेखक I think you should read the article we're discussing for deletion before drawing your conclusions. A promotional piece is unlikely to address the controversies surrounding the subject. Let’s review the page with an open mind while adhering to Wikipedia’s guidelines. It is unfair to delete a page simply because the sources are from Nigeria. Where else are editors in Nigeria expected to obtain sources if biases against Nigerian media persist? Opyquad (talk) 14:34, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn (non-admin closure) Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:15, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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In my most recent revisions, I removed most sources because they all either failed WP:RS, WP:HISTRS, WP:RAJ, and WP:AGEMATTERS. Most of the sources were from the 1800's and 1900's, and those that weren't completely failed on being reliable sources.
The content of this page has no significant coverage in modern sources/scholarship (except from 1 source alone, Gupta), which makes me think this should be deleted per WP:GNG. Noorullah (talk) 16:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Actually, would like to withdraw this deletion nomination per it's talk page. [51] Noorullah (talk) 17:53, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- 2015 in Scandinavian music (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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We have individual pages for 2015 in Danish music and the other 4 Scandinavian countries, there is no reason to have another page grouping these 5 as well, "Scandinavian music" is not some monolithic block or typical genre.
The same applies to these other years as well:
- 2016 in Scandinavian music
- 2017 in Scandinavian music
- 2018 in Scandinavian music
- 2019 in Scandinavian music
Fram (talk) 16:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- I fully agree that the concept of "Scandinavian music" is a nonstarter. Though there are only 3 countries in Scandinavia and not 5, there is not that much overlap between the music scenes as to constitute a common sphere. The information about individual concerts and even festivals is not encyclopedically relevant and should be burnt with fire. Relevant albums should be mentioned in country-specific pages where applicable (i.e. 2015 in Swedish music – the albums might already be mentioned there, though). Since there is no one target to redirect to, delete all. Geschichte (talk) 19:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete all The creation of such articles should be purely country-based. Orientls (talk) 03:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, obviously. The suggestion that we have articles on music for these individual countries is erroneous. Where are 2024 in Danish music, 2024 in Norwegian music, 2024 in Finnish music, 2024 in Swedish music? Scandinavia is as clear-cut a region as is Ireland. Why remove useful information with nothing to replace it? I'm baffled as to the reason for this nomination. Deb (talk) 09:43, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- 2024 in Scandinavian music is not up for deletion. For the nominated years, we do have individual articles for Norway, Denmark, ... Fram (talk) 09:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- So why would you delete a range of articles in the middle of a range of articles that are being kept up to date, in order to replace it with a range of incomplete articles whose creator was blocked years ago and hasn't returned? Deb (talk) 10:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The other Scandinavia ones should later be deleted after the necessary country articles have been made, and no new Scandinavia ones should be created. Funny, by the way, that the original creator was blocked for copyvio, while you created e.g. the 2015 in Scandinavia page by an unattributed copy of all his work at the 2015 in Norway page. Fram (talk) 10:39, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Cut it out, right now. You haven't achieved consensus as yet. Deb (talk) 15:29, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- "should later be deleted" =/= now. Fram (talk) 15:35, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Cut it out, right now. You haven't achieved consensus as yet. Deb (talk) 15:29, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- The other Scandinavia ones should later be deleted after the necessary country articles have been made, and no new Scandinavia ones should be created. Funny, by the way, that the original creator was blocked for copyvio, while you created e.g. the 2015 in Scandinavia page by an unattributed copy of all his work at the 2015 in Norway page. Fram (talk) 10:39, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- 2024 in Scandinavian music is not up for deletion. For the nominated years, we do have individual articles for Norway, Denmark, ... Fram (talk) 09:56, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Roderick O'Donnell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Procedural nomination for an IP address user. I did a search and found some potential sources online, but the IP user disagrees. Please discuss. Bearian (talk) 15:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Tentative keep Even in just JSTOR, his work is cited a lot. See also inclusion in https://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/9789462702820/material-change/. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non encyclopaedic, controversial and appears to serve as a political part of Awami League. This holiday was controversially declared by the Awami league government only, and was removed from Bangladesh twice, most recently in October 2024. It doesn’t meet WP:NPOV. It is better to delete or integrate with other related articles like Controversies related to Sheikh Hasina or Criticism of Awami League. — Cerium4B—Talk? • 15:48, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. The nominator didn't specifically explained the reason. They didn't explain how it is not encyclopediac. A subject can be controversial. But that has nothing to do with notability. It is true that Awami League government made it official holiday. But from 1967 the party observed it. And no Wikipedia guideline states that holiday only observed by specific organisation is not notable. Former holiday is notable in Wikipedia too. There are many former holiday articles here. And most importantly, maybe we could find more holiday articles declared as part of regime propaganda. We have similar articles like this, for example, Day of the Shining Star, a North Korean holiday for its second leader or Party Foundation Day, which is the holiday about the establishment day of Communist Party of North Korea!
To know an article's notability, we need to analyze its sources. The sources are from reliable works and they includes older offline newspapers. PIB published a book which is a collection of news articles about the birthday celebration. I did not include sources from historical newspapers (1972–1975). It clearly meets WP:GNG. If there is any POV issue then we can solve it, we don't have to delete this notable page. Notice that it is also a DYK article and for nomination I had to work on its POV issues several times. To me, it is almost POV free. Mehedi Abedin 16:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- International Monarchist Conference (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Only source which seems to have given attention to this organisation is royalcentral, a like-minded website of unclear WP:RS status. Lacks the multiple reliable sources required by WP:GNG. Fram (talk) 15:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. Royal Central is a deprecated source, and nowhere else seems to have given the conference any attention. JoelleJay (talk) 20:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. This subject fails WP:NORG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hari Naoomal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I can find no independent WP:SIGCOV of this cricketer to meet WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT. The independent coverage mentions him in the context of his father, who was a notable cricketer but from whom notability cannot be WP:INHERITED. Nor does he appear to meet the standard of WP:NCRICKET of playing at the international level. Obviously he played in an era without digital coverage, so if you find qualifying sources not accessible in a BEFORE search, please ping me. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- 2024–2025 proposals for Canadian annexation to the United States (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Per Wikipedia:Not every single thing Donald Trump does deserves an article, this is a WP:TOOSOON article about a thing Donald Trump said that has not yet risen to the level of needing its own standalone article. We already have the broad historical overview Movements for the annexation of Canada to the United States, where this can be (and in fact already is) briefly addressed, but it's not at all clear that a few bloviating comments during the post-election transition period, when the president-elect hasn't even been (re)inaugurated yet, would already need their own spinoff article as their own topic independently of the overview.
Certainly if 45/47 actually launches a war on Canada during his term, then we'd obviously start a new article about that war when that happens -- but as long as it's just words, many of which are just rephrasing content that's already in the overview article as it is, it's not permanently notable just because Donald Trump said words.
Further, there was a significant bypass of process here: a user created Draft:2024-2025 proposals for Canadian annexation to the United States, which got rejected at WP:AFC on the grounds of lacking sufficient context to justify the need for a standalone article, but then a different user created a one-line stub which looked like this, following which the first user copy-pasted the content from their draft into it with very little effort to actually address the reasons why the draft was rejected in the first place.
This just has not yet risen to the level of needing its own standalone article as a separate topic from all the other past discourse around this concept. Bearcat (talk) 15:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep, having worked on the 51st state article before this remarks, I think that splitting it off from the already large 51st state article and the traditional annexation article makes a lot of sense. The reason is its not clear Trump is being serious, rather as Trudeau said he seems to be distracting from other issues. Certainly, neither rino or maga has ever heard of the Canadian unification as part of his campaign rhetoric, and its hard to believe any conservative would want this as it would swing the balance of power in the USA back to the democratic party permanently. So I don't see it as part of the traditional unification movement, which every time it has happened it comes from the people in that region (for example Hawaii and Marianas had 90%+ votes in favor basically). Actually, what is very likely Trump is trying to distract from a place that is actually due to become a State, Puerto Rico, which has ten years of referendums in favor but again votes democratic so it would push the narrow balance of power in the USA back to blue. That is where I find the Canadian response remarkable, truly the USA has the best friend to the north to handle such a bizarre discourse in such a respectful way. Montekarloh (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete information fork - main points already at Movements for the annexation of Canada to the United States. Talk at Talk:2024–2025 proposals for Canadian annexation to the United States and Draft:2024-2025 proposals for Canadian annexation to the United States shows little support as outlined at Wikipedia:Notability (events) "This notability guideline for events reflects consensus reached through discussions".Moxy🍁 18:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete None of these proposals are real or substantive, but rather pointless bloviating with political motives other than actual annexation. The concept is already covered at other articles such as Movements for the annexation of Canada to the United States. There is no need for this forked article with unnecessary detail or reactions, with quotes of every Truth Social post the guy makes, which appears as news/recentism coverage falling under WP:NESTDTDDAN. With the keep vote above being right that this is not serious, it should simply be trimmed in the main article, rather than split and allowed to expand with undue detail. Reywas92Talk 20:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge to Movements for the annexation of Canada to the United States. Moondragon21 (Talk) 20:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per above - this is an unneeded fork. SportingFlyer T·C 22:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to something akin to "US-Canada relations during the second Trump presidency", to allow for the article to be adapted to include related topics. I believe deletion would be massively preferable to remerging this into its parent article, Movements for the annexation of Canada to the United States, which would reintroduce absurd levels of WP:UNDUE. Kaotao T·C 23:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - It's simply not going to happen. This is a lot of Canadian news media over-reaction, to encourage viewership. GoodDay (talk) 16:15, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Aishwarya Rutuparna Pradhan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I could not find significant coverage about this person. Fails WP:GNG. Rajeev Gaur123 (talk) 15:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. Does not meet notability guidelines. TheOilSpillExpert (talk) 22:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Paddy Scott (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Cannot see or find anything to suggest notability. TheLongTone (talk) 14:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your message TheLongTone. My thoughts on notability had been that it adds context to the Willis Resilience Expedition article as well as the family information of Bladen Hawke and Sir Nicholas Scott JaneBotha94 (talk) 14:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I have also added the appropriate incoming links so it is no longer an orphan article JaneBotha94 (talk) 14:49, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, nothing gets this photographer close to notability for an entry into Wikipedia per the sources cited in the article and WP:BEFORE search conducted. Mekomo (talk) 15:31, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Tentative Keep. See Category:Fellows of the Royal Geographical Society, while his FRGS status alone does not constitute notability, if a fair amount of well-sourced information can be found, the article should remain. The article has just been created today, see WP:BEFORE C.2 - the article likely requires time to develop. TheOilSpillExpert (talk) 23:01, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Villagers Film Studio (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 09:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep - it shows the studio's importance with reliable sources and achievements --Kej Keir (talk) 08:26, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: There is no SIGCOV about the studio in any of the sources cited in the article. There are only trivial mentions which are not enough for WP:NCORP Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 08:05, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete, the sources cited do not give any significance to the studio. Mekomo (talk) 15:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗plicit 23:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Khalid Al-Hammadi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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doesn't seem to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT with no secondary sources -1ctinus📝🗨 14:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. A search for sources yielded namesakes. LibStar (talk) 23:40, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Mandhara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article was created way back in 2009 and it has been unreferenced for over 15 years! There is a context that says:
This village is becoming an example of collective development, cooperation, solar and organics through a special development drive by LD Sharma, an entrepreneur who was born and brought up in the same village and who is now guiding all villagers to develop collectively. This village is around 35 km from Paonta Sahib, a place which is known for Sikh Gurudwaras.
There is a temple of Devi Bhadhrakshi. The temple is being rebuilt by LD Sharma through a registered committee named Mehta Vikas Jan Main Smiti and the latest updates can be seen online.
which might be referenced to the creator of the article itself LDSHARMA. If you see this search result, all of the sources were published after 2009 and it might be referencing back to the article so we can know it should be a hoax and even OpenStreetMap does not even list that place. The temple of Devi Bhadhrakshi reference that I could only found was from Facebook and Instagram which is generally unreliable, this search result. Vitaium (talk) 13:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Nowa Aleksandria (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NALBUM DonaldD23 talk to me 13:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- The album is ranked #75 with an average user score of 79/100 (scored by 204 users of that page) among the best albums of 1986 on the independent website (no critic score, though).
https://www.albumoftheyear.org/album/36261-siekiera-nowa-aleksandria.php
- The album has an article describing its history on the official webpage of the National Polish Radio Channel 4 (Czwórka) starting with the following words (in Polish): "It took less than two weeks to record one of the most important albums in the history of Polish music." https://www.polskieradio.pl/10/3966/Artykul/2641692%2CNowa-Aleksandria-Plyta-Siekiery-to-nie-tylko-krazek-ale-zjawisko
- ^ User ratings are not used on Wikipedia for notability. So, even if it was ranked #1, that would be meaningless. DonaldD23 talk to me 20:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- You people make me sick here. Go ahead and delete it. Verwolff (talk) 21:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Was this comment really necessary? DonaldD23 talk to me 21:54, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Carin Götblad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP Anybio, WP Npol. She is the Swedish Coordinator against domestic violence - not sure this falls under "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage" Cinder painter (talk) 12:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep, I have improved the article's sources and now meet at least WP:ANYBIO or WP:BASIC. For the nomination, there is nothing in the article that describes her as a politician or solely being an activist. Many of the available sources describe her as a "regional police chief". Mekomo (talk) 14:04, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I have questions regarding WP ANYBIO, namely: how the person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field or which a well-known and significant award or honor has been received by her? Cinder painter (talk) 15:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I had to remove some of the sources which were not about her. Some more should probably be removed, but Icakuriren, Chefstidningen and Femina do contain significant coverage. This is sort of a strange bouquet of sources, but there are probably more; also, the Swedish Wikipedia version tells of some awards she won. Not one single decisive award, but a combination of what we have available leads me to say weak keep. To clarify: the regional police chief position is above county level. Geschichte (talk) 16:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep There is significant coverage in the Swedish article sv:Carin Götblad. Some of it could be used to improve the English article. Sjö (talk) 08:25, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Lydia Capolicchio (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I cannot find reliable sources about this BLP. Clearly fails WP Anybio, WP Journalists Cinder painter (talk) 12:31, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep, notable television personality who presented and co-presented continental and national televiosn programs including Eurovision Song Contest 1992. I have improved the sources with few citation to meet at least WP:NBASIC. Mekomo (talk) 14:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- None of the sources provide deep coverage to meet NBASIC Cinder painter (talk) 15:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment being a presenter of national television programs, even the Eurovision Song Contest, is not enough to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines (WP:NBASIC). Cinder painter (talk) 15:36, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Television programs hosted contribute to notability same way playing a leading role in at least two notable movies contribute to notability of WP:NACTOR. Mekomo (talk) 15:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Jane Brick (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not notable person per WP Journalists Cinder painter (talk) 12:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Filípek played a total of 411 minutes for a now-defunct club before disappearing for one decade. Two only secondary sources I found are Teraz and Netky, neither of which covering him in-depth. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia is just a dumping ground. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 12:28, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete—Clearly fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 02:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Anna Mannheimer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not notable WP Journalists, nor WP Anybio Cinder painter (talk) 12:24, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Linda Olofsson (TV journalist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not notable Swedish journalist failing WP ANYBIO and WP:JOURNALIST Cinder painter (talk) 11:21, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - I believe this article clearly meets WP:GNG based on significant coverage available on her, specifically news articles in Swedish. See this article from Hemmets Journal, this interview from Västerbottens-Kuriren, this article from Resumé, this article from Svenska Dagbladet, and this article from Umeå University, among others. I just googled her name while restricting the search to only .se (for Sweden) websites. Best Bridget (talk) 00:26, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Three out of four are interviews that don't meet the criteria for significant, independent, and reliable coverage. Interviews should be disregarded entirely. Cinder painter (talk) 08:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Annesley South Junction Halt railway station (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This has two sources. Both appear to be blogs/fansites, although the first at least looks well-researched. I can only find one more, [52], that doesn't appear to be a copy of our entry. However, this discussion suggests that Railscot should not be considered RS. I'd appreciate views on retention. For information, I am looking at a large number (circa 100+) of similar articles on minor/former railway stations, so would also appreciate suggestions as to any Projects etc. on which editors think this issue could usefully be aired more widely. KJP1 (talk) 10:50, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. Every station (or halt) on the British rail network is extensively covered by print sources. Not one fails WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Necrothesp It would be helpful if you could show the printed sources for this one: I've found what seems to be a couple of pages of photos in a book, added as "Further reading", but I'm not sure that's enough. PamD 12:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- That is indeed helpful. So, there is an established consensus that current or former British stations have sufficient potential RS coverage such that they are Notable, even though the current sourcing of an individual article may not demonstrate this. That will make reviewing the 100-odd I need to look at much easier. I can forget about notability and just focus on sourcing. In those circumstances, I shall attempt to withdraw this AfD. KJP1 (talk) 15:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Is there such a consensus, or one editor's statement? PamD 16:28, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note that Wikipedia:Notability (Railway lines and stations) is an essay, while WP: NTRAINSTATION is a guideline. They disagree. PamD 16:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I defer to Necrostep. It is not my area of expertise at all, unless they include a listed building in which case I might have a clue. I am assuming the consensus that "not one station or halt on the British rail network fails GNG" is recorded in an RfC or something, somewhere? I note, and noted, the apparent conflict with WP: NTRAINSTATION. KJP1 (talk) 18:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Railways have lots of coverage in books and every UK halt/station is likely to be covered somewhere. However, the extent of coverage obviously varies and for some minor stopping places there may not be sufficient coverage to pass the GNG. There is no inherent notability for railway stations, although those that are listed buildings may have presumed notability. WP:NTRAINSTATION is the guideline quoted in AfDs. Rupples (talk) 18:19, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- The latest RFC fills Wikipedia talk:Notability/Archive 83. Thincat (talk) 19:15, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I defer to Necrostep. It is not my area of expertise at all, unless they include a listed building in which case I might have a clue. I am assuming the consensus that "not one station or halt on the British rail network fails GNG" is recorded in an RfC or something, somewhere? I note, and noted, the apparent conflict with WP: NTRAINSTATION. KJP1 (talk) 18:05, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Note that Wikipedia:Notability (Railway lines and stations) is an essay, while WP: NTRAINSTATION is a guideline. They disagree. PamD 16:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Is there such a consensus, or one editor's statement? PamD 16:28, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- That is indeed helpful. So, there is an established consensus that current or former British stations have sufficient potential RS coverage such that they are Notable, even though the current sourcing of an individual article may not demonstrate this. That will make reviewing the 100-odd I need to look at much easier. I can forget about notability and just focus on sourcing. In those circumstances, I shall attempt to withdraw this AfD. KJP1 (talk) 15:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Necrothesp It would be helpful if you could show the printed sources for this one: I've found what seems to be a couple of pages of photos in a book, added as "Further reading", but I'm not sure that's enough. PamD 12:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. As said already, even the smallest railway halts in the UK have been written about and documented. This level of interest makes this, and other such articles, both notable and independently referenced. Rillington (talk) 12:13, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify until WP:RS references can be provided to support the content. It's inadquately sourced at present. PamD 17:01, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Unity ISIS (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Dubious notability, reads like an advertisement, no cites to reliable sources, all cites in article are to the vendor's website. PROD-ed by myself, PROD endorsed by User:Bearian, but contested by page creator User:Vchimpanzee on the article's Talk page, hence taking it to AFD. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 10:29, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
- Kerschbaumer, Ken (2005-10-31). "ISIS Offers Mightier Storage SystemAvid's new system gives digital newsrooms greater flexibility". Broadcasting & Cable. Vol. 135, no. 44. p. 21. ProQuest 225328399.
The article notes: "Avid Technology last week introduced a storage system that it says better meets the needs of broadcasters, networks and post-production facilities seeking to centralize storage. Called Avid Unity ISIS, the system moves well beyond the capacity of Avid's current Unity system. Whereas that holds up to 20 terabytes (TB) of data and can be accessed by up to 60 editing clients, ISIS offers as much as 64 TB of storage and lets 100 editors, reporters and producers work on video at the same time. ... CBS News will use ISIS as the backbone of its new digital newsroom, which eventually will use Sony XDCAM HD at 50 Mbps."
- Birmaier, Craig (February 2006). "Don't panic: The broadcaster's guide to storage". Broadcast Engineering. Vol. 40, no. 2. Future plc. pp. 14–18. ProQuest 204179254.
The article notes: "Avid recently introduced a new media workgroup solution called the Unity ISIS media network. (See Web links.) The system offers a glimpse into the future of intelligent storage networks, which will offer more capabilities and built-in redundancy, while reducing cost and complexity. The heart of Avid's system is called a Data Blade. In essence, it is a NAS unit with two Gigabit Ethernet ports. Each Data Blade contains two Serial ATA (SATA) hard disks for 1TB of storage. The Data Blades are attached to Gigabit Ethernet switches, creating two redundant paths from any client to any Data Blade. ... Given the incredible pace of change over the past two decades, one might come to the conclusion that off-the-shelf IT solutions will eventually replace such products as Avid's Unity ISIS or that it is improbable that companies developing dedicated solutions for broadcasters will survive. Don't bet on it."
- "Avid -- Unity ISIS". Videography. New Bay Media. 2005-11-01. Factiva VDOG000020051203e1b10000s.
The article notes: "Now available from Avid is the next-generation shared-storage solution in the Avid Unity family: the Avid Unity ISIS media network. Unlike SAN devices that rely on centralized intelligence to manage data, the Avid Unity ISIS system leverages a distributed intelligence architecture via Avid's Infinitely Scalable Intelligent Storage (ISIS) technology. This design enables 16 individual storage blades-housed within a single storage chassis (Avid ISIS Engine)-to process media while simultaneously sharing data and balancing the collective workflow between entire groups of connected storage drives."
- "Avid Rolls Out ISIS Storage Solution". Broadcast TV. CMP Media. 2005-11-01. Factiva DGTV000020051203e1b100003.
The article notes: "Building upon its Unity family of products, Avid Technology has introduced a new shared storage solution, the Avid Unity ISIS media network. ISIS, which stands for Infinitely Scalable Intelligent Storage, employs a distributed-intelligence architecture that enables 16 individual storage blades to process media while simultaneously sharing data and balancing the collective workflow between entire groups of connected storage drives. ... CBS News recently began using the Avid Unity ISIS in a continual effort to convert to digital. "When we first saw Avid Unity ISIS, we knew it would be an ideal storage solution that could more efficiently handle the massive amounts of media that we store, access, and share simultaneously between our major news operations in New York and London every day," said Frank Governale, VP of Operations at CBS News. "It also fits well into our IT infrastructure, greatly expanding our client count and the amount of data we can share in real time," he added."
- Less significant coverage:
- Dickson, Glen (2009-06-29). "MSNBC's High-Def Retrofit; 30 Rock control room, Washington D.C. studio get major HD overhaul". Broadcasting & Cable. Factiva BDCTCA0020090629e56t00001.
The article notes: "MSNBC upgraded five editing rooms to HD with Avid Symphony Nitris systems. It is editing packages using Avid's DnxHD 145-megabit-per-second mezzanine compression format, storing them on the Unity ISIS. It uses Grab Network's Anystream software for transcoding needs, employing a grid transcoding system with parallel processors. "Everything here is shared," says Canary. "We have one large Unity ISIS that handles all the content from Today, Nightly News and MSNBC.""
- Dickson, Glen (2009-06-29). "MSNBC's High-Def Retrofit; 30 Rock control room, Washington D.C. studio get major HD overhaul". Broadcasting & Cable. Factiva BDCTCA0020090629e56t00001.
Cunard (talk) 12:57, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Is that really significant enough to warrant a whole article about this product, as opposed to say merging it to the article on the vendor? To me it just reads like the usual trade journal copy-paste job of the vendor's press release. Even the quotes from MSNBC and CBS executives – anyone who has ever worked in or adjacent to enterprise/B2B sales knows how this works, they're called "reference customers", they'll let you quote them endorsing your product in your marketing/PR materials, in exchange you promise to take extra special care of them. I think once you cut out the fluff and just stick to the hard facts, we are looking at a permanent stub. SomethingForDeletion (talk) 20:16, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Kerschbaumer, Ken (2005-10-31). "ISIS Offers Mightier Storage SystemAvid's new system gives digital newsrooms greater flexibility". Broadcasting & Cable. Vol. 135, no. 44. p. 21. ProQuest 225328399.
- (edit conflict) I would be okay with merging as long as the information is covered somewhere.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:21, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep The source where I read about this is shown above. Also, there are two other sources I used, even if they do come from the company's web site, they look like they came from somewhere else. A lot of information in one source is based on interviews but someone has to describe how the product works.[1][2]
References
- ^ Moren, Bill (January 2007). "Avid Unity ISIS:The System Offers Real-Time Access to Multiple Users" (PDF). Broadcast Engineering. Archived from the original (PDF) on November 29, 2008. Retrieved 24 March 2009.
- ^ Kerschbaumer, Ken (March 2007). "Triple Play: WBZ, WSBK and WLWC Move to a Tapeless Workflow" (PDF). Broadcast Engineering. Archived from the original (PDF) on November 29, 2008. Retrieved 24 March 2009.
- Ali Raza (actor) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Disputed draftification. I do not believe redraftifying would allow this to be accepted because no amount of editing can conjure notability from nowhere. Fails WP:NACTOR. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 09:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with at least two main/lead roles in notable productions + other significant roles. Can be expanded through sources like https://www.thenews.com.pk/magazine/you/1063549-ali-raza (containing an interview; bylined presentation). Declining creation because iit needs improvement could have been OK but not because it does not meet WP:NACTOR. Because it does. -Mushy Yank. 12:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that interview means means much for to WP:Notability, see WP:INTERVIEW. And declining wasn't an option for the nominator, as they said in the nom, this is a disputed draftification; this is an procedurally correct nomination. Follow up @Mushy Yank, I'm just going through the filmography on the article, which two are you considering main/lead roles in notable productions? I'm not sure I'm totally convinced but I could be persuaded to agree. Bobby Cohn (talk) 18:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Bobby CohnOh, no the interview is not to prove notability directly, just an exemple of what can be used to improve the page and verify the importance of the roles. Regarding procedure; I did not say this could not be AfDed (everything can), just commenting on the fact that the nomination's rationale is based on NACTOR, just like the reason to decline the creation at AfC was. Lead/main cast roles in Muhabbat Gumshuda Meri, & Noor Jahan (2024 TV series) ; significant roles (not minor) in Duniyapur (TV series) & Gunah (TV series). I'm leaving it at that. Best, -Mushy Yank. 20:24, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that interview means means much for to WP:Notability, see WP:INTERVIEW. And declining wasn't an option for the nominator, as they said in the nom, this is a disputed draftification; this is an procedurally correct nomination. Follow up @Mushy Yank, I'm just going through the filmography on the article, which two are you considering main/lead roles in notable productions? I'm not sure I'm totally convinced but I could be persuaded to agree. Bobby Cohn (talk) 18:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom. --- Bhairava7 • (@píng mє-tαlk mє) 14:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - Having lead roles does not make someone inherently notable. They need the significant coverage to support. The references are interviews, puff pieces, or otherwise unreliable. On a side note, this was more than just draftification. It was draftified, then declined, then still moved to the mainspace. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Portudal–Joal Massacre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:V. No real coverage of supposed historical battle. Fails WP:SIGCOV.WP:OR. No indication of significance. Refer to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Jaozinhoanaozinho and persistant WP:SYNTH, WP:PROFRINGE, and WP:GNG-failing articles report for further context. scope_creepTalk 09:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete no WP:SIGCOV. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:35, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Battle of Lucanzo (1590) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:V. No real coverage of supposed historical battle. Fails WP:SIGCOV.WP:OR. No indication of significance. Refer to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Jaozinhoanaozinho and persistant WP:SYNTH, WP:PROFRINGE, and WP:GNG-failing articles report for further context. scope_creepTalk 09:42, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Hello, regarding your claims, there is no (OR) in the article. The troop strengths, alliances, and outcomes are directly supported by the sources cited. The specific engagement of the new source I've added is labeled as "LUIZ SÈRRÂO AND THE BATTLE OF 1590.".
- The topic is already significantly covered. I've found additional books that mention the battle, though I haven't cited them all. Jaozinhoanaozinho (talk) 19:41, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Jaozinhoanaozinho: If you do have sources, post them here per WP:THREE, so I can have a look. scope_creepTalk 21:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Battle of Cape Coast (1562) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:V. No real coverage of supposed historical battle. Fails WP:SIGCOV.WP:OR. No indication of significance. Refer to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Jaozinhoanaozinho and persistant WP:SYNTH, WP:PROFRINGE, and WP:GNG-failing articles report for further context. scope_creepTalk 09:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Mrinmoy Bhowmick (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Promotional and not important (notable) Indian film director. Nq Wisit (talk) 09:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: I've checked its sources, and although I tried to fix one dead link, most of them are still dead. Additionally, his name is hardly searchable on Google. Aona1212 (talk) 12:33, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Black Opium (perfume) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The perfume looks like non-notable and I did not locate any outstanding or independent reliable sources. BoraVoro (talk) 08:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- as an alternative it could be redirected here Opium (perfume) BoraVoro (talk) 08:52, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep I don't know a lot about perfume or about the reliability of fashion sources so am happy to be corrected by those who know more about this area, but I think there's enough coverage to demonstrate notability. Excluding the dozens and dozens of "top 10 perfume" lists and "this is the perfect Black Opium dupe" junk articles, there seem to be a good number of reviews and product announcements in reliable sources. Some of these are a little shallow, but these are some examples of what I could find: [53] [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59]. And that's not to mention the many, many articles about the advertising controversies, which aren't enough to show notability on their own but probably do contribute a little to notability. There were also quite a few scholarly sources in fields like marketing and fashion history that provide mentions of Black Opium. MCE89 (talk) 03:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep I have been looking a lot into fragrances lately, which is also the reason why I came across this page and noticed the deletion template. But I can tell this is an extremely popular fragrance which is here to stay for many years to come and there are lots of sources for it. It also has many variants made because of its popularity. Coldbolt (talk) 21:51, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Chief Minister's Cup 2024 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG/WP:NEVENT, tried to move to draftspace for improvement but the creator reverted the action. I brought it to AFD to avoid move-warring. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔) 08:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Creator (me) reverted back by improving what reviewer told to improve
- I added more sources
- If needed more
- I will add more
- But aren't enough sources are given for a single exhibition match trophy cup? Sid Prayag (talk) 10:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Improved the article.. Look again into it Sid Prayag (talk) 13:07, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge/Redirect with Kolkata Derby – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 20:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- A whole new cup? a whole new event organized by other.. How can i mix it. Shouldn't it have a separate article for itself Sid Prayag (talk) 07:11, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Nicole Nönnig (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable figure skater; PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Found several mentions, but none with significant coverage. Aona1212 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:55, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete No SIGCOV found on search, failing GNG.Canary757 (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I was aware of two of the sources mentioned below when I made my original vote and I am reaffirming it.Canary757 (talk) 07:15, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete No SIGCOV found on search, failing GNG.Canary757 (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I see there's a German wiki version too, which makes sense since the subject is German, but i hazily think of the German wikipedia as being tougher on notability. Both the en and de version were created by the same editor. In any event, i see some german news mentions of her, but not significant and she didn't have international wins that would make me think an article surely must exist on her.--Milowent • hasspoken 21:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Cannot find any significant coverage.
- Shrug02 (talk) 22:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Here's something about her in a book: [60]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 01:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- One paragraph and a half here: [61]. One paragraph here: [62].
These paragraphs don't constitute significant coverage, but it's still something. So I've decided to leave the links here. (Der Spiegel and some German sites don't open for me, but you can search for "Nicole Nönnig Eiskunstlauf".) --Moscow Connection (talk) 02:00, 10 January 2025 (UTC) - I have found the article used as a reference in the Web Archive, here →→→ [63]. That's a complete biography for you.
Strong keep. (Considering that she competed more than 20 years ago and that that time's figure skating articles are impossible to find.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC) - Delete: Subject does not appear to have the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Of the sources provided by Moscow Connection, while I can't view the book source the articles in order are (1) a couple of sentences briefly mentioning the skaker and her partner finishing second to last at a tournament, with no additional detail (2) a passing mention in an tournament recap and (3) a substantial bio about the subject and her partner, which while this is WP:SIGCOV with only one usable source there isn't nearly enough for this BLP to meet the guidelines. Please ping me if more coverage can be found as I am open to changing my vote should more/better coverage be found. Let'srun (talk) 15:57, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: per nom, the subject lacks notability. There isn't enough WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG. I agree with Let'srun's analysis - even with the bio found by Moscow Connection, it's only one source, and a so-so one at that. There's just not enough coverage to justify an article at this time.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Silvia Dimitrov (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. notable 204.76.149.2 (talk) 20:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 08:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)- Keep. Deleting this person would create 14 redlinks across the site on various pages related to figure skating and various events. This person is notable.
- Nayyn (talk) 14:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- It would create zero redlinks; the links are removed. If you believe this person qualifies as notable, please provide evidence. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable because worlds and Euros 204.76.149.2 (talk) 20:45, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- CarBone (company) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Highly doubt it's ready for Wikipedia and has enough RS. Company's cars Criollo and Tardza have been removed via AfD last year. Taking off shortly (talk) 08:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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Not meeting NCORP, no reliable media coverage. Taking off shortly (talk) 08:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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Delete: literally no secondary sourcing to prove any notability. Could be talked about in existing articles on RBC. Mamani1990 (talk) 01:38, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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Non-notable figure skater. Bgsu98 (Talk) 08:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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The person is not notable as it lacks sufficient independent media coverage, not connected to the subject and with the proper depth Taking off shortly (talk) 08:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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WP:BLP of a writer, not properly sourced as passing WP:AUTHOR. As always, writers are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show certain specific markers of achievement supported by WP:GNG-worthy third-party coverage about them in media and books -- but this article is completely unreferenced, and is not making any strong notability claims.
The main attempts at notability claims are that he's been municipal poet laureate of a small city, which isn't an automatic notability freebie without sourcing for it, and that he's been a recipient of various minor and/or unspecified literary awards that aren't highly prominent enough to confer instant inclusion freebies without sourcing for them. An award has to be notable in its own right before it can make its winners notable for winning it, so notability doesn't derive from the presence of the word "award" (or sticking the word "prestigious" in front of it) in the article text, it derives from the quality of the sourcing you can show to demonstrate that the award is a sufficiently notable and/or prestigious one in the first place.
Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to pass GNG on his sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 14:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. He has a substantial entry in Canadian Poetry Online, published by the University of Toronto Libraries, along with some of his poems. There are numerous reviews in the Canadian Book Review Annual, a Globe and Mail review, a review in the journal Essays on Canadian Writing, and he is in the book Five Canadian Poets: Analytical Essays on, James Deahl, John B. Lee, Don Gutteridge, Glen Sorestad, A. F. Moritz. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Easily meets WP:NAUTHOR per Clarityfiend. More sources: [64], [65], [66]. Jfire (talk) 01:24, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep per the above sources. Geschichte (talk) 16:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 12:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in WP:LISTED (or any other) case. Fails to meet WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 11:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment the Print Week is potentially a good source and start for a stub, but I don't know. Bearian (talk) 15:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. Media sources are either dead links or have no mentions at all. They should be reviewed carefully once again. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 09:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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This article does not indicate notability, relying exclusively on two self-published sources.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 07:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- 'Keep the sources should be added. I found some that are behind a paywall and hope there is a way to include them, along with any others. --Taking off shortly (talk) 08:29, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Taking off shortly: Please show us what you find to help us determine if it counts for GNG Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 11:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Taking off shortly: Please feel free to add the sources you’ve found, even if they are behind a paywall, as long as they meet the criteria for WP:RS. Without these additions, the article may face deletion due to insufficient evidence of notability.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 16:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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I'm not sure this meets GNG or WP:NCRIMINAL. I'm in favor of turning it back into a redirect for CumEx-Files since that seems to be the main page for the scandal. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:28, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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WP:REDUNFORK of List of Beyblade X episodes
Also nominating the second season for the same reason:
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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient independent in-depth sources to establish notability. Imcdc Contact 06:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep: Under Hive Colab there are multiple sources that support notability, see New Vision, Independent, AsiaTechDaily, Nile Post, Pctechmag, and BBC FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- There are multiple sources but after looking at them, I do not feel comfortable using these to establish notability. My initial comment is the article is about HiveColab while the focus on a lot of these articles is about YSAU (Youth Startup Academy Uganda) which is one of the accelerator programs under it. Per WP:NOTINHERITED while they are related, we cannot use the program alone to cover for the organization above it and HiveColab should be able to stand by itself. Also something irking me is how promotional the whole thing seems. I see mention of co-founder Barbara Birungi and judging by the state of her article, it feels like there is some PR campaign being held for her (and possibly her firm) on the internet. Anyway:
- New Vision: There seems to be a related press release for this here. This is reporting on a ceremony for YSAU, a program under Hive Collab rather than Hive Collab itself. Half of it are just promotional quotes by related parties. If you look at the remaining content, most of it looks very similar to the press release. Edit: ITC states it is involved in implementing YSAU so it’s a related party. The press release from Hive Collab is here which has similar wording content.
- Independent: First thing I noticed is this article is not authored to an individual. There's another site with the exact same content here so I’m wondering if this is just a form of a press release. The focus is on Ugandan startups signing deals at Gitex in Morocco. The focus is not on Hive Collab but the entrepreneurs under it. The latter half of the article can be ignored since not about Hive Collab. So taking out the quotes, its pretty much a non-notable entity named Dain Leaders Corporation signing an MOU with Hive Collab and the supposed benefits in a press release manner.
- AsiaTechDaily: Non-notable entity GCCEI signs an MOU with Hive Collab. That's kinda it. While it is authored, it seems like a regurgitated press release of a routine deal given how short it is and the language used.
- NilePost: This one does seem to be more than a press release (I think). But in my view looking at it, the main focus is on YSAU companies attending Gitex in Morocco with a chance to show themselves. There doesn’t seem to be much analysis on Hive Collab itself. Edit: Here is the original press release, the 15 YSAU startups are directly copied so the source is now much weaker.
- PC Tech: There seems to be a related press release (or update as called) for this here. This article is not authored to an individual. Another ceremony of people from YSAU graduating. Large chunks of it are just kinda copied from the press release.
- BBC: Very brief mention of Hive Collab and in fact seems to be more on Barbara Birungi herself.
- So looking at all of them, they fail WP:SIRS in my view. To save time just give the best three independent in-depth sources going forward. - Imcdc Contact 05:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- You should be clear when you say a press release to indicate how did you come to that conclusion.
- All of what you labelled as a “press release” is either not a press release by the organisation, see New Vision or is not one at all, see Nile Post. And I am not sure who did you dismiss the mention by the BBC. This organisation is not in Global West, it is in Uganda and still mentioned by the BBC. FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- FYI, I have updated the above analysis.
- See WP:PRSOURCE. A press release doesn’t need to directly come from Hive Colab. It can come from an affiliated party. We know ITC is affiliated because it itself says the YSAU is implemented by ITC, Hive Collab and several other parties. So no independence there. WP:PRSOURCE also mentions how less reputable news sources will write an article based on a press release which we are seeing here in examples of churnalism. Btw I have found some of the press releases by Hive Collab and updated above based on it. For example we can see now that Nile Post has indeed copied a chunk out of a press release.- Imcdc Contact 12:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Mention in books:
- The Bright Continent published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt.
- Digital Divides published by Taylor & Francis.
- Innovate for agriculture published by CTA.
- Empowering African Women Entrepreneurs in the Fashion Industry published by Springer International.
- Citizen-Driven Innovation published by the World Bank.
- UNESCO Science Report published by UNESCO.
- Disruptive Technologies, Innovation and Development in Africa published by Springer International.
- Africa’s Development Dynamics 2021 published by the African Union.
- FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:20, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if its because Google Books is cutting off my access to see the whole thing, but almost everything seems to be a very short mention. A lof seem to be just something like this: ilab (Liberia), Hive Collab (Uganda), Etrilabs (Benin)... and thats it. The only one that offers more is the UNESCO one. But its just one short section giving very general (and sort of generic) description of Hive Collab. I don't think this is enough to meet WP:SIGCOV for an WP:NCORP subject. Imcdc Contact 11:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes all of them are mentions and not a dedicated chapter or even a whole page in the book. I will add the full excerpt later as most of them are not as you described.
- Still, given it was mentioned in all of these sources (books/News) = coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Whether you consider that satisfy the “significant” part or not, I will leave it to you. I am of the opinion of keeping the article.
- Also your comment about the BBC source is unfair, as Barbara Birungi was talking about HiveColab, quoting “
"It's not about strict business. It's also about coming here to share your ideas, and collaborate. Because out of sharing and collaborating come ideas," says Ms Birungi. The Hive CoLab was opened to give the technology scene in Uganda a space that they could call their own and come and collaborate, says Barbara Birungi. "Apart from just offering them a space we see how we can take an idea to the next level. Because many startups fail within the first two years of existence."
” FuzzyMagma (talk) 22:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if its because Google Books is cutting off my access to see the whole thing, but almost everything seems to be a very short mention. A lof seem to be just something like this: ilab (Liberia), Hive Collab (Uganda), Etrilabs (Benin)... and thats it. The only one that offers more is the UNESCO one. But its just one short section giving very general (and sort of generic) description of Hive Collab. I don't think this is enough to meet WP:SIGCOV for an WP:NCORP subject. Imcdc Contact 11:25, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- There are multiple sources but after looking at them, I do not feel comfortable using these to establish notability. My initial comment is the article is about HiveColab while the focus on a lot of these articles is about YSAU (Youth Startup Academy Uganda) which is one of the accelerator programs under it. Per WP:NOTINHERITED while they are related, we cannot use the program alone to cover for the organization above it and HiveColab should be able to stand by itself. Also something irking me is how promotional the whole thing seems. I see mention of co-founder Barbara Birungi and judging by the state of her article, it feels like there is some PR campaign being held for her (and possibly her firm) on the internet. Anyway:
- Delete: Lacks sustained notability over years. For example I could not find any notable and independent coverage between Jan 1, 2015 – Jan 5, 2019 XwycP3 (talk) 18:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- @XwycP3 that is not a policy. Coverage does not need to be "sustained"! by the same token, we should delete many articles because you cannot find a coverage about them between Jan 1, 2015 – Jan 5, 2019 FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- The article's coverage is from 2013 and I wanted to see if it lacked coverage after that due to it not existing or simply not have being added to the article. Wikipedia:Notability: "Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability. However, sustained coverage is an indicator of notability". When I extend the search to today, the result is the same. XwycP3 (talk) 20:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Quoting the sentence just above what you quoted from Wikipedia:Notability: “Notability is not temporary; once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage.” + The sources just above your comment are from that period. FuzzyMagma (talk) 23:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- The article's coverage is from 2013 and I wanted to see if it lacked coverage after that due to it not existing or simply not have being added to the article. Wikipedia:Notability: "Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability. However, sustained coverage is an indicator of notability". When I extend the search to today, the result is the same. XwycP3 (talk) 20:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- @XwycP3 that is not a policy. Coverage does not need to be "sustained"! by the same token, we should delete many articles because you cannot find a coverage about them between Jan 1, 2015 – Jan 5, 2019 FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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DeleteMerge with Jon Gosier: Plenty of sources, but no sustained coverage. All the coverage is in the context of their "Open SIM Kit" after they got funding from the Knight News Challenge in January 2013, but it seems like the project fizzled out pretty quickly. Most coverage is from January. The latest source I could find was from August 2013. This source is a trade publication, which should be given less weight due to WP:TRADES. Their GitHub repo was last updated in September 2013. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 08:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)- Soft Delete : Fails WP:ORG and lacks SIGCOV.Gauravs 51 (talk)
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The subject does not pass WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. Taabii (talk) 06:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- God's Counting on Me, God's Counting on You (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No notability established. No in-depth coverage in the media, and no chart ranking. Binksternet (talk) 06:22, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete — (moderate to strong) — simply not seeing notability, coverage, or impact. Article created by a single-purpose user. Interestingly, the (all-related) articles this user has edited/created all mention one “Damien Drake.” On the article in-question, we have this gem:
The recording session was filmed live aboard the Sloop, while sailing up and down the Hudson River. The music video, directed by Damien Drake, can be viewed on YouTube: It is one of the few, if not the only, music videos sanctioned and planned with Seeger and filmed especially to accompany one of his songs. The single is available for download on iTunes, Amazon.com, and all digital retailers.
So. Yeah. At the absolute least we’re looking at a re-write of “Seegersloop1’s” work to fix the possible WP:COI and WP:SOAPBOX issues and the definite WP:NPOV, WP:VERIFY, and WP:COVERT issues. MWFwiki (talk) 06:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- A few minutes ago I added a COI tag at User talk:Poptopics describing longterm promotion of Richard Barone. I think I will add Seegersloop1 to the list of SPAs. Binksternet (talk) 07:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Cool, definitely seconded MWFwiki (talk) 08:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- A few minutes ago I added a COI tag at User talk:Poptopics describing longterm promotion of Richard Barone. I think I will add Seegersloop1 to the list of SPAs. Binksternet (talk) 07:08, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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The result was Speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NPROF, and WP:NPOL. She doesn't really stand out as a researcher. Can be redirected to List of Department of Energy appointments by Joe Biden#Office of the Undersecretary for Science. There seem to be a lot of articles of low-level appointees that should not exist. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:04, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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The result was Speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL; the only independent coverage is routine. Can be redirected to List of Department of Energy appointments by Joe Biden#Office of the Undersecretary for Science. There seem to be a lot of articles of low-level appointees that should not exist. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 05:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment I don’t know what the precedent is for appointees, since WP:NPOL seems primarily concerned with elected officials rather than appointees. I would lean on the side of omitting profiles for minor appointees whose major notability is only their appointment, but I just don’t know the precedent. RakdosWitch (talk) 05:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- It turns out that the precedent is that cabinet appointees are usually notable, something I didn't realize when making this AfD. I will withdraw this nomination and the nomination above. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:10, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I don’t know what the precedent is for appointees, since WP:NPOL seems primarily concerned with elected officials rather than appointees. I would lean on the side of omitting profiles for minor appointees whose major notability is only their appointment, but I just don’t know the precedent. RakdosWitch (talk) 05:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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It fails WP:CORP and its features in 1 episode of Music Moguls or in Forbes 30 Under 30 in Manufacturing in 2018 and Apparel Magazine's Top Under-30 Elite in 2018 aren't enough for notability Ynsfial (talk) 06:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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I believe Cynthia_Akanga fails the WP:GNG criteria. Person has brief bios on both linkedin and imdb but very little independent coverage. SallyRenee (talk) 05:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: could not find any reliable source to establish notability most sources are primary and IMDb FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: I believe the relevant guideline is WP:ENTERTAINER. It says that the person may be considered notable if the person has had significant roles in multiple television shows or stage performances. Akanga has had multiple roles, two to be exact: a stage performance and a role in a television show. Wikipedia does not have a lot of articles about Togolese women. Conscious of the WP:Systemic bias, I vote keep. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- can you share the source(s) for these performances?
- In general, WP:ENTERTAINER does not override WP:BASIC. FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:37, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Ruud Buitelaar and per WP:ENT. She had significant roles in multiple notable productions. – Anne drew (talk · contribs) 04:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- She had an appearance on a podcast and was a substitute jury for an obscure show. What notable productions? FuzzyMagma (talk) 18:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: The French sources are the same as the ones used here, only confirming she was a judge on a TV show, not unlike American Idol is. I don't think that's enough for notability. They are simple "meet the celebrity" articles. Oaktree b (talk) 17:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - terrible sources; only two shows are not multiple shows. One of the shows she appeared is a reality television show; we don't have articles on jurors or those who don't place in the top three. Her 15 minutes of fame was in 1998. I'm aware of systemic bias, but we have deleted lots of articles about White and male contestants, too, like Tyler Neasloney. Bearian (talk) 15:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Keep,I insist. I have added a few more references. Akanga was choreographer for Cirque du Soleil and Circo Price. She choreographed shows in Israel and Spain.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- you cannot vote twice! FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: It is OK by me, @FuzzyMagma, to strike out my vote, but please note that after @Liz relisted the AfD to generate a more thorough discussion, I found new information and references. I think that part at least you should not strike out. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 03:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for that. I amended my edit above. FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:18, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks! Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry for that. I amended my edit above. FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:18, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete I voted Keep yesterday, on the basis that she had been a choreographer for Cirque du Soleil, Circo Price, Cirque Zumba Zumba, Illusia. However, doing a web search on "Cirque du Soleil" and Akanga shows that she was one of five assistants to the choreographers in 2013, a year before she claimed to have been a choreographer with them. Searching for "Notre-Dame de Paris" and Akanga shows that she was a dancer in that show, not a lead role or a choreographer. So we are left with choreographing Illusia for Imagination Circus in Israel, and Pasión sin puñales for Teatro Circo Price (and co-choreographing at least one other show for them). WP:CREATIVE requires that "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews" . It's not clear that the shows she choreographed are significant or well-known, or have multiple reviews, so I don't think she meets that. RebeccaGreen (talk) 04:05, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for being thorough. I took the sources at face value FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:16, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Personal wiki (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of List of wiki software with no useful salvageable value.
The section "Multi-user wiki software" lacks any useful inclusion criterion - MediaWiki (the software that this wiki runs on) does not have a "personal edition" in any reasonable sense. Yes, it's configurable enough you can use it for a lot of things, but the standard for when that would be would be entirely arbitrary. Most of the remaining entries do not have any mention of personal wikis in their article.
The section "Single-user wiki software" is almost entirely duplicated at List of wiki software#Personal wiki software.
The rest of this article is just a trivial definition of the concept - "a personal wiki is a wiki for personal use". And that's it. Delete or redirect to List of wiki software#Personal wiki software (since an individual instance of a personal wiki is by definition a complete nonentity with no existence outside of that of its sole user the software is the only significant bit). * Pppery * it has begun... 04:54, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- There is probably broader cleanup work needed in the broader area of: Personal wiki, Personal information manager, Personal knowledge base, Personal knowledge management, and the inevitable Digital garden. Presumably some or all of these are the same concept with terminology changing over time. Brandon (talk) 17:11, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Valuable information with multiple references. Dujo (talk) 21:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- So no actual refutation to my multi-paragraph AfD rationale? Just WP:VALUABLE and WP:LOTSOFSOURCES? * Pppery * it has begun... 21:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. The mere existence of little blue clickly linky numbers from over a decade ago can't stop this from being cruft. XOR'easter (talk) 00:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of wiki software#Personal wiki software as suggested in the nomination. I agree with everything in the nomination rationale, and I can’t find sufficient sourcing to rework the article so that it isn’t a redundant fork. The Keep vote above contains textbook examples on arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, and I’m also dubious whether the Keep voter read the nomination at all. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of wiki software#Personal wiki software: The content *is* useful, enough people try to make wikis about personal topics or themselves that there clearly is an interest (hell, I've toyed with the idea myself!) but I don't think it warrants a seperate article on it without more content, and I don't think more content can realistically be added here. Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 13:38, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Puppy love (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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As noted in a message on the page, 'This article is written like a personal reflection, personal essay, or argumentative essay that states a Wikipedia editor's personal feelings or presents an original argument about a topic.' The article contains a non-dictionary definition and characteristics of puppy love, a sub-article on puppy love in China related to China's marriage age laws, and statistics which do not mention puppy love of Taiwan, China and the United States. Though the article has existed for a long time, it is still rated as 'Start-class' on Wikipedia's content assessment scale (see the Talk page). The article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignemnt between 24 January 2023 and 19 May 2023, and yet is still rated as a 'Start-class'. There was a requested move on 9 February 2023. The article is not encyclopedic in nature, and is minimally informative, I'd recommend deleting it. Re34646 (talk) 03:29, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep The article is definitely in poor shape, but I think the concept of 'puppy love' or a 'crush' is fairly trivially notable. The article cites plenty of sources in gender/sexuality studies, literary studies, and adolescent medicine, and I have no doubt at all that there are many, many more sources out there discussing the idea of childhood/adolescent infatuation. A lot of the material on China does need to be cut or slimmed down, but I don't think the article is anywhere near bad enough for this to be a case of WP:TNT. MCE89 (talk) 01:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as per MCE89. Short of a disaster, which this isn't, AfD is not for editing fixes. Literally hit songs, films, and books have been created on this topic. Bearian (talk) 16:04, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. The article is kind of crappy, but not enough to be WP:TNT in my book. There’s a way to salvage this without building it from the ground up. RakdosWitch (talk) 06:02, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Am I missing something here? I can find a lot of announcements and "local" coverage, either from USL, FC Naples, or UC Davis, but there doesn't seem to be any WP:SIGCOV on this player. Possibly WP:TOOSOON, but still seems to fail WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 02:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify/Merge - I had created Draft:Max Glasser back in 2023 (relevant to this discussion it was moved back to draft space in March 2023) but no one had edited it since August 2024. It seems that the creator of this article may have missed the draft article, so while this version we're commenting on can't technically be moved back into the draft space as it didn't exist there previously as far as I can tell, I do think that merging this draft with the preexisting one to be fleshed out with more content and most importantly more independent sources would be for the best. Christiangamer7 (talk) 07:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- I would support draftifying this article. Shmego (talk) 14:03, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. GiantSnowman 20:51, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify – Per above. Svartner (talk) 03:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Draftify: Per above, not yet notable and there is a draft already. CNC (talk) 09:10, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Christiangamer7 (talk) 21:30, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge as nom—Merge with Draft:Max Glasser and keep combined as draft per above. Anwegmann (talk) 22:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Article is based primarily on primary sources. 4 of the 6 sources are the Spanish Foreign Affairs, the 1st source is an embassy website. There is no third party significant coverage of these relations. LibStar (talk) 02:01, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Weak keep. On a cursory google search, some content can be found in third-party sources.--Asqueladd (talk) 10:10, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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I'm having trouble with the maps on this one, because in spite of what GNIS says, I can't find any trace of the label before the 2013 edition. Possibly there is some coordinate error, but in any case there is just nothing much at the location, suggesting that it was never anything beyond a 4th class post office. Mangoe (talk) 04:09, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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(1) The topic is already covered at Patani Kingdom#Blue and Purple Queens. There isn't nearly enough information in scholarly sources to sustain a stand-alone article. (2) Siam's campaign took place in 1634, so the erroneous title wouldn't be useful as a redirect. (3) The little existing content here is wildly inaccurate, so it wouldn't be worth keeping. Yamada died in 1630 and couldn't have had a part in the Siamese invasion. Paul_012 (talk) 03:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment Draft of this article was declined four times at Draft:Patani-Siam War (1638). See also Draft:Siam-Patani War (1634), Draft:Siamese-Pattani War (1634), and linked SPI. Wikishovel (talk) 12:15, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Arpad Furka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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BLP with unclear notability that is inappropriately sourced, creator has not rectified issues and has unusual history. Version 1 was draftified by Significa liberdade as having no sources. Version 2 was submitted to AfC, then accepted by a now blocked sock puppet. NPP tagged, nothing done. I can't draftify again, which might be the right action; it should not stay like this, we need some quality control. Ldm1954 (talk) 03:37, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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Comment: in case I was not clear enough, my suggestion is a vote for Draftify, reverting the sock puppet move to main from a draft. Ldm1954 (talk)
- Draftify per nominator. His "General method for rapid synthesis of multicomponent peptide mixtures" has heavy citations, so there might be a case for WP:PROF, but the current article is not adequately sourced for mainspace, and the sockpuppet AfC acceptance should be reversed. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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This is the only thing at all I can find on this player. Even databases are coming up with nothing. Although the only source is WP:SIGCOV, I don't think it's enough to meet WP:GNG standards. Anwegmann (talk) 02:25, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect to George Weah#Personal life – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 02:40, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Smart move. Anwegmann (talk) 02:47, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect to George Weah#Personal life per WP:NOTINHERITED. ⋆。˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚。⋆ 15:59, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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seems to fail WP:N, no secondary sources in the article, google search turns up nothing Reflord (talk) 01:52, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. Setting aside the large amount of unsourced content (not really a deletion reason by itself per WP:DINC), we have none of the in-depth and independent published reliable sources needed for WP:GNG and no claim of notability through any other criterion that could bypass GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:31, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Almost certainly written by someone close to the subject, such as a family member, given that they had access to Macaluso's childhood photos. Many of the refs are not notability lending, such as proof of his counseling license (cited twice) and a program for an event by a local group (also listed as 2 separate refs). He wrote a book but I doubt WP:AUTHOR applies as the publisher, RoseDog Books, redirects to another publishing company that appears to handle self-published books and who's article is sourced entirely by non-RS references like BBB reviews and probably isn't notable either. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:09, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
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This has existed for 18 years without a single source which is actually about the actor, and I can't find any sources that are actually about her, as opposed to her being mentioned in articles about her father. Black Kite (talk) 11:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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OK to delete (and recommend deletion rather than redirect, as there are other people with the same name who may be more notable).There actually are more negative reviews of the play her father wrote for her, like "Daddy's girl could do without his help" in The Financial Times. But these are arguably not really about her (the FT review says things like"on this terrain it is hard to judge how good an actress she is"
), and otherwise she is mentioned in passing in her father's obituaries and articles about her fugitive brother facing child porn charges. Does not meet WP:GNG. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)Delete - no major roles, nor even supporting roles. Very minor roles in one well-reviewed film and a few guest spots on TV.Bearian (talk) 03:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)- Comment The article says "As an actress she worked mostly in theatre", but gives no details, apart from the play Mum. It's not hard to find reviews of her stage work in digitised newspapers - I will add info and references and then consider whether she meets WP:BIO or WP:BASIC. RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sometimes it's kinder to delete. But I will bite and expand the article and let everyone else decide. (Perhaps there are 5k pageviews in the last month for a reason.) Cielquiparle (talk) 12:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Cielquiparle There is a TikTok "influencer" with the same name. Black Kite (talk) 16:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Right. Plus everyone else with the same name, like the Director of Film Restoration at Paramount Pictures. Cielquiparle (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Cielquiparle There is a TikTok "influencer" with the same name. Black Kite (talk) 16:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Sometimes it's kinder to delete. But I will bite and expand the article and let everyone else decide. (Perhaps there are 5k pageviews in the last month for a reason.) Cielquiparle (talk) 12:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisted to give Cielquiparle and RebeccaGreen a chance to dig up more sources.
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- Keep Two of us have now added information and sources to this article, which demonstrates that she does meet WP:GNG. There are plenty of reviews of her stage appearances, with significant, positive mentions about her ability and performances. She had major roles in Stepping Out in the West End and Nice Girls in Newcastle, and in several other professional performances of notable plays in Derby, Newcastle, Chester, etc, for which she received very positive reviews (I have not included quotes about all her performances here). There are articles about her (eg here and here) - they do mention her father, but they are about her, not him. No, she did not star in films or TV shows, but WP:NACTOR specifically states "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions;" (my emphasis). RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - It appears there is sufficient sourcing showing in the footnotes to get this subject over the GNG hurdle. Carrite (talk) 23:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: @Bearian and Black Kite: given the new sources do you still think this should be deleted?
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- Keep per WP:HEY. Bearian (talk) 01:51, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Silex Microsystems (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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It looks like most of the sources are press releases or routine coverage in industry publications, and I didn't find much SIGCOV on a WP:BEFORE. BuySomeApples (talk) 01:33, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- Richard Hills (politician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG and WP:POLITICIAN - see previous discussion of Auckland Councillors Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Watson (New Zealand politician) TheLoyalOrder (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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- and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wayne Walker (politician), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Sayers (2nd nomination) TheLoyalOrder (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Also nominated related councillor articles:
- Chris Darby (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) TheLoyalOrder (talk) 00:59, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Shane Henderson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Ken Turner (New Zealand politician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Kerrin Leoni (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Julie Fairey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Josephine Bartley (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) TheLoyalOrder (talk) 01:03, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wayne Walker (politician), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Sayers (2nd nomination) TheLoyalOrder (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - Auckland Councillors each represent wards that are often larger than most New Zealand electorates, earn a full-time wage of over $100k, and control a budget and asset base in the billions. As the majority don't represent any mainstream political party it's difficult for citizens of New Zealand's largest city to access basic, objective information about their public representatives. It's really concerning to see these pages being deleted. All should be kept and maintained. Otakoulane (talk) 22:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural keep Simply being an Auckland councillor in its own right doesn't meet WP:NPOL, and city councillors across the world need to have a heightened level of coverage in order to be kept. That being said, this isn't the worst article in the world, and while I'd still vote to delete for failing GNG, it feels potentially salvageable if other sources exist. I'm not looking through the other six since they all need to be reviewed on their own merits, so these need individual AfD discussions, hence the procedural keep. SportingFlyer T·C 23:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Richard Hill: only SIGCOV I found is this: [67]
- Delete Chris Darby: did not find any SIGCOV
- Delete Shane Henderson: only SIGCOV I found is this: [68]
- Delete Ken Turner: only SIGCOV I found is this: [69]
- Delete Kerrin Leoni: only SIGCO I found is this: [70] [71]
- Redirect Julie Fairey to Michael Wood (politician) (her husband) as an ATD. The coverage of her relates to Michael Wood and the airport shares issues.
- Keep Josephine Bartley: there is SIGCOV that isn't just related to the election: [72] [73] [74] Traumnovelle (talk) 00:00, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Julie Fairey - not accurate to redirect to her spouse's article as there is no joint coverage or joint projects etc. They have separate careers. MurielMary (talk) 10:02, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Josephine Bartley: there are sources that are beyond her election and councillor work. MurielMary (talk) 10:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
- Andrew Parnell (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
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