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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_January_8
January 8
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:Southern Democrats
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: This is a meaningless category which encompasses politicians from across the political spectrum: it includes segregationists and civil rights activists, neoliberals and social democrats. User:Namiba 15:19, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- This category represents politicians apart of a Factions in the Democratic Party (United States); similar e.g. Bourbon Democrats, Factions in the Democratic Party (United States), Lunch pail Democrat. They are also associated by shared location. Rochambeau1783 (talk) 15:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
US families disambiguated by state
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Drummond family of Alabama (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Drummond family (Alabama)
- Propose renaming Category:Wallace family of Alabama (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Wallace family (Alabama)
- Propose renaming Category:Folsom family of Alabama (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Folsom family (Alabama)
- Propose renaming Category:Abernathy family of Alabama (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Abernathy family (Alabama)
- Propose renaming Category:Rodney family of Delaware (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Rodney family (Delaware)
- Propose renaming Category:Braun family of Indiana (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Braun family (Indiana)
- Propose renaming Category:Wallace family of Iowa (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Wallace family (Iowa)
- Propose renaming Category:Hardin family of Kentucky (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Hardin family (Kentucky)
- Propose renaming Category:Clay family of Kentucky (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Clay family (Kentucky)
- Propose renaming Category:Brown family of Kentucky (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Brown family (Kentucky)
- Propose renaming Category:Howard family of Louisiana (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Howard family (Louisiana)
- Propose renaming Category:Collins family of Maine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Collins family (Maine)
- Propose renaming Category:Byron family of Maryland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Byron family (Maryland)
- Propose renaming Category:Dorsey family of Maryland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Dorsey family (Maryland)
- Propose renaming Category:Patterson family of Maryland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Patterson family (Maryland)
- Propose renaming Category:Lloyd family of Maryland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lloyd family (Maryland)
- Propose renaming Category:Mitchell family of Maryland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mitchell family (Maryland)
- Propose renaming Category:Howard family of Maryland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Howard family (Maryland)
- Propose renaming Category:Gorman family of Maryland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Gorman family (Maryland)
- Propose renaming Category:Beall family of Maryland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Beall family (Maryland)
- Propose renaming Category:Key family of Maryland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Key family (Maryland)
- Propose renaming Category:Archer family of Maryland (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Archer family (Maryland)
- Propose renaming Category:Hancock family of Massachusetts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Hancock family (Massachusetts)
- Propose renaming Category:Baldwin family of Massachusetts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Baldwin family (Massachusetts)
- Propose renaming Category:Bok family of Massachusetts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bok family (Massachusetts)
- Propose renaming Category:Percy family of Mississippi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Percy family (Mississippi)
- Propose renaming Category:Montgomery family of Mississippi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Montgomery family (Mississippi)
- Propose renaming Category:McLane family of New Hampshire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:McLane family (New Hampshire)
- Propose renaming Category:Gilman family of New Hampshire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Gilman family (New Hampshire)
- Propose renaming Category:Stockton family of New Jersey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Stockton family (New Jersey)
- Propose renaming Category:Crane family of New Jersey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Crane family (New Jersey)
- Propose renaming Category:Baca family of New Mexico (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Baca family (New Mexico)
- Propose renaming Category:Powell family of New York (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Powell family (New York)
- Propose renaming Category:Mortimer family of New York (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mortimer family (New York)
- Propose renaming Category:Goodyear family of New York (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Goodyear family (New York)
- Propose renaming Category:Clinton family of New York (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Clinton family (New York)
- Propose renaming Category:Spencer family of New York (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Spencer family (New York)
- Propose renaming Category:Murray family of New York (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Murray family (New York)
- Propose renaming Category:Manning family of New York (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Manning family (New York)
- Propose renaming Category:Wilson family of New York (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Wilson family (New York)
- Propose renaming Category:Norris family of North Carolina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Norris family (North Carolina)
- Propose renaming Category:Broughton family of North Carolina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Broughton family (North Carolina)
- Propose renaming Category:Hunt family of North Carolina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Hunt family (North Carolina)
- Propose renaming Category:Scott family of North Carolina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Scott family (North Carolina)
- Propose renaming Category:Campbell family of North Carolina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Campbell family (North Carolina)
- Propose renaming Category:Carson family of North Carolina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Carson family (North Carolina)
- Propose renaming Category:Kennon family of Ohio (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Kennon family (Ohio)
- Propose renaming Category:Roberts family of Oregon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Roberts family (Oregon)
- Propose renaming Category:Lane family of Oregon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lane family (Oregon)
- Propose renaming Category:Reed family of Pennsylvania and New Jersey (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Reed family (Pennsylvania and New Jersey)
- Propose renaming Category:Tanner family of Pennsylvania (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Tanner family (Pennsylvania)
- Propose renaming Category:Street family of Pennsylvania (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Street family (Pennsylvania)
- Propose renaming Category:Hazard family of Rhode Island (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Hazard family (Rhode Island)
- Propose renaming Category:Clarke family of Rhode Island (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Clarke family (Rhode Island)
- Propose renaming Category:Greene family of Rhode Island (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Greene family (Rhode Island)
- Propose renaming Category:Ford family of Tennessee (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ford family (Tennessee)
- Propose renaming Category:Keeble family of Tennessee (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Keeble family (Tennessee)
- Propose renaming Category:Hunt family of Vermont (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Hunt family (Vermont)
- Propose renaming Category:Byrd family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Byrd family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Randolph family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Randolph family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Bolling family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bolling family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Harrison family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Harrison family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Fitzhugh family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fitzhugh family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Lee family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lee family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Bland family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bland family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Carter family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Carter family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Custis family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Custis family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Rolfe family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Rolfe family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Taliaferro family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Taliaferro family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Cary family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Cary family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Maury family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Maury family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Meade family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Meade family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Tayloe family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Tayloe family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Page family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Page family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Mercer family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mercer family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Nelson family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Nelson family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Hunter family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Hunter family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Burwell family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Burwell family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Garnett family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Garnett family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Brockenbrough family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Brockenbrough family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Beverley family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Beverley family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Braxton family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Braxton family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Boyd family of Virginia and West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Boyd family (Virginia and West Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Wise family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Wise family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Cooke family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Cooke family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Caperton family of Virginia and West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Caperton family (Virginia and West Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Dandridge family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Dandridge family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Mathews family of Virginia and West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Mathews family (Virginia and West Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Robertson family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Robertson family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Fauntleroy family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fauntleroy family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Massie family of Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Massie family (Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Jackson family of West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Jackson family (West Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Parsons family of West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Parsons family (West Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Staggers family of West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Staggers family (West Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Maxwell family of West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Maxwell family (West Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Moore family of West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Moore family (West Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Morgan family of West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Morgan family (West Virginia)
- Propose renaming Category:Kohler family of Wisconsin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Kohler family (Wisconsin)
- Nominator's rationale: Inconsistent with the usual disambiguation convention. In particular, the speedy rename for Category:Roberts family of Oregon reverted a previous speedy rename to Category:Roberts family (Oregon). No attempt was made to determine if the disambiguator was necessary and sufficient, except for Category:Vann family of Georgia (U.S. state) which I listed at CfDS istead of here because there is no need for disambiguation. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Attempted assassination of Harry S. Truman
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Delete; only the article itself and three articles each. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Non-defining association for two items in the Trump category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:39, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Rock en español categories
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Rock en Español to Category:Rock en español
- Propose renaming Category:Rock en Español albums to Category:Rock en español albums
- Propose renaming Category:Rock en Español compilation albums to Category:Rock en español compilation albums
- Propose renaming Category:Rock en Español EPs to Category:Rock en español EPs
- Propose renaming Category:Live Rock en Español albums to Category:Live rock en español albums
- Propose renaming Category:Rock en Español video albums to Category:Rock en español video albums
- Propose renaming Category:Rock en Español musicians to Category:Rock en español musicians
- Propose renaming Category:Rock en Español music groups to Category:Rock en español music groups
- Propose renaming Category:Rock en Español songs to Category:Rock en español songs
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2A and WP:C2D. Language names are not capitalized in Spanish. Also, for Live Rock en Español albums in particular, rock is not a proper noun and should not be capitalized. PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke • inspect) 06:40, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support per associated article Rock en español. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Regional Emmy Award winners
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD Mvcg66b3r (talk) 06:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Queen mothers
[edit]- Propose selectively merging Category:Queen mothers to Category:Mothers of monarchs (if they aren't already in a subcategory of it)
- Propose merging Category:African queen mothers to Category:Mothers of monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Albanian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Aragonese queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Aragonese monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Bavarian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Bavarian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Belgian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Belgian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Bhutanese queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Bhutanese monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Bohemian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Bohemian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:British queen mothers to Category:Mothers of British monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Castilian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Castilian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Cypriot queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Cypriot monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Danish queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Danish monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Dutch queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Dutch monarchs
- Propose merging Category:English queen mothers to Category:Mothers of English monarchs
- Propose merging Category:French queen mothers to Category:Mothers of French monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Greek queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Greek monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Hungarian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Hungarian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Italian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Italian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Queen mothers of Jerusalem to Category:Mothers of monarchs of Jerusalem
- Propose merging Category:Jordanian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Jordanian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Leonese queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Leonese monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Navarrese queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Navarrese monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Neapolitan queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Neapolitan monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Nepalese queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Nepalese monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Norwegian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Norwegian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Ottoman queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Ottoman sultans
- Propose merging Category:Polish queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Polish monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Portuguese queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Portuguese monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Prussian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Prussian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Romanian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Romanian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Scottish queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Scottish monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Sicilian queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Sicilian monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Spanish queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Spanish monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Swedish queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Swedish monarchs
- Propose merging Category:Thai queen mothers to Category:Mothers of Thai monarchs
- Nominator's rationale: (selectively) merge, unnecessary indiscriminate specification of mothers of monarchs: probably more than half of the queens consort outlive their king husband. The title "queen mother" may suggest they had a lot of influence on politics but that varied from case to case. And not all queen mothers even have this title explicitly. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, at least for the ones where nom's second assertion is not true. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:34, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Baseball players from Juniata County, Pennsylvania
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 14:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as part of a larger category structure Category:Baseball players from Pennsylvania by county.--User:Namiba 18:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Musical families
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Gibb musical family to
Category:Gibb family (music) orCategory:Gibb family (show business)- Category:Chapin musical family to
Category:Chapin family (music) orCategory:Chapin family (show business) - Category:Swan musical family to
Category:Swan family (music) orCategory:Swan family (show business) - Category:Earle musical family to
Category:Earle family (music) orCategory:Earle family (show business) - Category:Donovan musical family to Category:Donovan family (show business)
- Category:Newman family (show business) to Category:Newman–Woodward family (but don't delete the former)
- Category:Chapin musical family to
- Propose merging Category:Newman family (music) to Category:Newman family (show business)
- Propose renaming Category:Gibb musical family to
- Nominator's rationale: Nearly all other families that need disambiguation have the type of career at the end, in parentheses, such as Category:Jackson family (show business). Also, Category:Newman family (music) is already named this way. It's reasonable to standardize these. Mike Selinker (talk) 18:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Rename all using (show business) for disambiguation, per grandparent cat. Might as well unify naming on all of these. - jc37 19:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with that, and have added the option to the nomination above. Let's do that instead if people agree. (We might have to look at the Newman category separately, since Paul Newman's family is in Category:Newman family (show business).) Mike Selinker (talk) 21:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- In that case (and I'm just tossing this out there), perhaps in that case rename to Category:Paul Newman family (show business)? Since in that isolated case, they all seem directly related to him? (Especially with the inclusion of Joanne Woodward...) - jc37 05:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yup. I'd say the actual title would be Category:Family of Paul Newman. Another option would be Category:Newman–Woodward family. Mike Selinker (talk) 05:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think you're right in that Category:Newman–Woodward family would be the best answer there. - jc37 01:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- OK, the nomination now reflects all of that. If this passes, I'll put hatnotes on the Newman categories so there's no confusion. Mike Selinker (talk) 01:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I oppose change to Newman–Woodward family - but fine with 'Family of Paul Newman' if there is to be a change. GiantSnowman 20:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- GiantSnowman - You have me curious. Why do you oppose that? - jc37 00:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Because it's not really accurate or helpful. It implies the family surname is 'Newman-Woodward', which is not the case. GiantSnowman 10:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Many family categories are formatted that way. Category:Houston–Warwick family or even Category:Arnold–Bridges–Pryor family, for example. How would you format it? - jc37 15:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Actually, I just looked at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Dashes. You're incorrect per Wikipedia usage. A hyphen is used for compound names. These are using the em dash. - jc37 15:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Many family categories are formatted that way. Category:Houston–Warwick family or even Category:Arnold–Bridges–Pryor family, for example. How would you format it? - jc37 15:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Because it's not really accurate or helpful. It implies the family surname is 'Newman-Woodward', which is not the case. GiantSnowman 10:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- GiantSnowman - You have me curious. Why do you oppose that? - jc37 00:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- I oppose change to Newman–Woodward family - but fine with 'Family of Paul Newman' if there is to be a change. GiantSnowman 20:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- OK, the nomination now reflects all of that. If this passes, I'll put hatnotes on the Newman categories so there's no confusion. Mike Selinker (talk) 01:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think you're right in that Category:Newman–Woodward family would be the best answer there. - jc37 01:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yup. I'd say the actual title would be Category:Family of Paul Newman. Another option would be Category:Newman–Woodward family. Mike Selinker (talk) 05:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- In that case (and I'm just tossing this out there), perhaps in that case rename to Category:Paul Newman family (show business)? Since in that isolated case, they all seem directly related to him? (Especially with the inclusion of Joanne Woodward...) - jc37 05:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with that, and have added the option to the nomination above. Let's do that instead if people agree. (We might have to look at the Newman category separately, since Paul Newman's family is in Category:Newman family (show business).) Mike Selinker (talk) 21:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support Better than what we have now. Azuredivay (talk) 05:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I don't understand the proposal for the second Newman category. Is it a duplicate, or a different family with the same surname? In any case, the fate of the first Newman category remains unsettled.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- It does not make too much sense to use a show business disambiguator when both Newman families are related to show business. Then it is probably better to keep Category:Newman family (music) as is. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest entrants
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Renominating (see previous discussion which was a procedural close); WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation (subcategories were already deleted; see previous discussion here). Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: See comment below D4NT3023 D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep These contestants seem notable for little else and likely wouldn't have Wikipedia articles without this performance. Unlikely to create category clutter with 15 minutes of fame. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:27, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Although there is much less publicity around this contest than the Eurovision Song Contest, and many former contestants do become notable for different things later in their career (such as Dino Jelusick, Eglė Jurgaitytė or Freya Skye), their Junior Eurovision Song Contest participation remains one of the first things mentioned about them in reliable sources. Furthermore, as with ESC, participating in JESC is much more than just a performance. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 23:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is dispute about whether this contest (and its conterpart for regular Eurovision) is sufficiently defining to meet the standards of WP:PERFCAT.
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Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Renominating (see previous discussion which was a procedural close); WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") and WP:NONDEFINING violation (subcategories were already deleted; see previous discussion here) Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The Eurovision Song Contest generates a lot of publicity, but categories are qualitative (e.g. singers), not quantitative (by amount of publicity). Marcocapelle (talk) 15:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep: See comment below D4NT3023 (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep: 1. As pointed out below by D4NT3023, the alleged violation (WP:PERFCAT (specifically "Performers by production") DOES NOT APPLY. It would apply if the category was something like Performers in Cats (musical) or Singers who have performed at Carnegie Hall. Neither of these applies: Eurovision is not a venue and it is not merely a performance: it is a competition, like a sporting event. Note wording: "Avoid categorizing performers by an appearance at an event or other performance venue. This also includes categorization by performance—even for permanent or recurring roles—in any specific radio, television, film, or theatrical production (such as The Jack Benny Program, M*A*S*H, Star Wars, or The Phantom of the Opera)." Eurovision is not a specific television production, since the events in the competition vary each year in an unscripted way. 2. The alleged WP:NONDEFINING violation does not apply. As others have commented (refer previous discussion), entering in Eurovision is not a soon-forgotten event like entering in "American Idol". Eurovision entrants represent their country, and in this respect are similar to Olympic competitors. Their status as entrant in Eurovision is invariably a high point in their career and remains something that defines them. Consequently, articles on Eurovision entrants invariably mention this fact as a defining characteristic: for instance, the page for the Irish group Sheeba states "They are best known for representing the host nation, Ireland, in the Eurovision Song Contest in 1981". In some cases, their status as a Eurovision entrant is the only memorable event recorded about them, e.g. Christine Minier. However, other Eurovision entrants have used their public exposure in Eurovision as a springboard to build successful careers, despite not winning on the night, e.g. Natasha St-Pier, Amina Annabi, Cathal Dunne. SRamzy (talk) 18:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Participation in Eurovision is defining because it's one of the first things mentioned about these artists by reliable sources (even in the article about ABBA, their Eurovision participation is among the first things mentioned, despite them being notable for a lot of other things too). That said, this category currently does not have any subcategories, although its scope includes over 1700 artists. Such a large category really should be diffused, which is why I am puzzled by the closure of the previous discussion about the subcategories. That discussion had two people opposing deletion with policy-based arguments, but they were completely ignored. (Besides, I created a few of those categories myself but I was not notified about the discussion?) ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 19:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete We make an exception to WP:PERFCAT for reality show contestants when they are known for little else. I clicked through several of these areticles and they all seemed prominent as artists beyond the competition. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- @RevelationDirect: I don't think it matters if you're known for other things as well? (Otherwise people notable for two distinct things can't be categorized under either.) According to WP:NONDEFINING, what matters is what sources consistently refer to. As pointed out above, that is the case for competing in Eurovision. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 02:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- While we respectfully disagree here, I think you have a reasonable perspective for this category. My larger concerns is really with all the more minor feeder contests nominated on this page that would collectively add clutter to the bottom of articles. RevelationDirect (talk) 03:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- @RevelationDirect: I don't think it matters if you're known for other things as well? (Otherwise people notable for two distinct things can't be categorized under either.) According to WP:NONDEFINING, what matters is what sources consistently refer to. As pointed out above, that is the case for competing in Eurovision. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 02:01, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Agents-General for Australian states
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Decapitalise General as per MOS:JOBTITLES. Change "for" to "of" for consistency with other categories such as Category:Attorneys-general of Australian states and territories or Category:Treasurers of Australian states and territories Steelkamp (talk) 12:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support decapitalization of General per abundant precedent. I do not have an opinion about "for" vs "of". Marcocapelle (talk) 15:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support decapitalisation. Oppose changing "for" to "of". They represent Australian states, which is why this terminology is used. That's their title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is agreement that the second g in agents-general should be lowercase, but which preposition should the title use?
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Category:African-American federal judges
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Small category that has no expansion or additions in several months, propose deletion Snickers2686 (talk) 03:05, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:African-American judges as probable WP:NARROWCAT. Two of the articles are already there, but Ketanji Brown Jackson and the subcategories are not (although the people represented by the subcategories are). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:37, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Riots by year
[edit]- Propose merging Category:532 riots (1) to Category:532 and Category:530s conflicts
- Propose merging Category:1046 riots (1) to Category:2nd-millennium riots and Category:Conflicts in 1046
- Propose merging Category:1229 riots (1) to Category:2nd-millennium riots and Category:Conflicts in 1229
- Propose merging Category:1517 riots (3) to Category:16th-century riots, Category:1517 crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1517
- Propose merging Category:1637 riots (1) to Category:17th-century riots, Category:1637 crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1637
- Propose merging Category:1648 riots (1) to Category:17th-century riots, Category:1640s crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1648
- Propose merging Category:1640s riots (4) to Category:17th-century riots
- Propose merging Category:1650 riots (1) to Category:17th-century riots, Category:1650 crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1650
- Propose merging Category:1662 riots (1) to Category:17th-century riots, Category:1660s crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1662
- Propose merging Category:1668 riots (1) to Category:17th-century riots, Category:1660s crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1668
- Propose merging Category:1682 riots (1) to Category:17th-century riots, Category:1682 crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1682
- Propose merging Category:1710 riots (1) to Category:1710s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1710
- Propose merging Category:1712 riots (1) to Category:1710s riots, Category:1712 crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1712
- Propose merging Category:1713 riots (1) to Category:1710s riots, Category:1713 crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1713
- Propose merging Category:1715 riots (1) to Category:1710s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1715
- Propose merging Category:1736 riots (1) to Category:1730s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1736
- Propose merging Category:1741 riots (1) to Category:1740s riots, Category:1741 crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1741
- Propose merging Category:1742 riots (1) to Category:1740s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1742
- Propose merging Category:1749 riots (2) to Category:1740s riots, Category:1749 crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1749
- Propose merging Category:1766 riots (3) to Category:1760s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1766
- Propose merging Category:1770 riots (2) to Category:1770s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1770
- Propose merging Category:1771 riots (1) to Category:1770s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1771
- Propose merging Category:1772 riots (1) to Category:1770s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1772
- Propose merging Category:1773 riots (1) to Category:1770s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1773
- Propose merging Category:1780 riots (1) to Category:1780s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1780
- Propose merging Category:1788 riots (2) to Category:1780s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1788
- Propose merging Category:1789 riots (2) to Category:1780s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1789
- Propose merging Category:1791 riots (1) to Category:1790s riots, Category:1791 crimes, and Category:Conflicts in 1791
- Propose merging Category:1793 riots (2) to Category:1790s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1793
- Propose merging Category:1795 riots (1) to Category:1790s riots and Category:Conflicts in 1795
- Propose deleting Category:6th-century riots (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1st-millennium riots (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1040s riots (1)
- Propose deleting Category:11th-century riots (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1046 crimes (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1040s crimes (2)
- Propose deleting Category:1220s riots (1)
- Propose deleting Category:13th-century riots (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1229 crimes (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1220s crimes (2)
- Propose deleting Category:1510s riots (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1630s riots (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1648 crimes (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1650s riots (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1662 crimes (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1668 crimes (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1680s riots (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1736 crimes (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1766 crimes (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1772 crimes (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1780 crimes (1)
- Propose deleting Category:1795 crimes (1)
- Nominator's rationale: Very thin tree for riots by year in this time frame. Merge up and delete would-be empty categories per WP:NARROW. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:45, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle, this is not helpful for easy navigation. Some side notes. What is the reason that sometimes one, sometimes two and sometimes three merge targets are specified? E.g. 1640s has just one merge target. Also, at first glance it seems unwise to confound this nomination with a very partial deletion of crimes years. Maybe better just merge to crimes years now and have a separate discussion about the whole crimes years tree later. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Treating recent riots as crimes and categorizing older ones as "conflicts" seems to be a very weird double-standard. And it does not help navigation at all, it just miscategorizes articles. Dimadick (talk) 07:11, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Category:Hazardous air pollutants
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Propose renaming analogous to Category:Persistent organic pollutants under the Convention on Long-Range Transboundary Air Pollution and Category:Persistent organic pollutants under the Stockholm Convention. Other renamings were considered (albeit not advocated for: "I can't think of a way to rename the category to make it make sense. (Regulated Hazardous air pollutants)?? (USEPA Hazardous air pollutants)??") on the talk page all the way back in 2007. Preimage (talk) 00:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Pinging @A876 (original talk page poster) in case you want to weigh in here. Preimage (talk) 00:14, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, too US-centric. The list suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)