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Hello fellow Wikipedians, It appears that this article has the style of using shortened footnotes when a citation is made to different pages of the same source, and not for any other purpose. However, this might be a misunderstanding and some other style was intended. Wikipedia's Citing sources guidelines recommend that articles have a single citation style applied consistently and this information on the style chosen for the article will assist editors seeking to maintain high standards for wikipedia's citations. If there is no objection after a reasonable period for comment has elapsed, editors maintaining this article will be informed that this is the style to be applied consistently in the article.
Is this rationale the one being used in this article? I am not quite sure that this is the intention because there appears to be exceptions. Any comment clearing this up would be appreciated. J JMesserly (talk) 09:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In this case it's for when multiple page ranges to the same sources (mostly books) are used, then the ranges are put in References, and the books themselves under Cited texts. Sources with shorter and single page ranges are put under References. FunkMonk (talk) 09:56, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Right. Does this notice describe that usage scheme correctly? If not, what wording should I add or remove to make it more precise or clear? As suggested by Jts1882 on the Birds project page, I have created different style templates akin to the British english/ American english notice templates. The intent is that we have clear descriptions of usage for all consistent styles for using short footnotes. An alternate style to this one is that is employed by Egyptian vulture, and Botany. So far I have not seen other styles amongst the bird articles, but there may be more which are as yet unidentified- such as inclusion to the cited works list based on notability of the source (some historical articles appear to be doing this on occaision). The following is a current subst of {{Note short footnote style 1 in use}}
This article uses shortened footnotes to avoid duplication of information for unique though largely identical footnotes. In cases where footnotes refer to the same source but different pages, the full citation is placed in the Cited texts section and a short footnote with page number is used next to the passage to be footnoted.
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Per Wikipedia:Citing sources, please continue to maintain the same style of use when adding citations using the {{sfn}}, {{harvnb}} and <ref> syntax. Footnotes will be altered to fit this article's style if they do not conform to the following rule: If a source has multiple footnotes to different pages or footnotes to the same source are unique in other ways such as due to quotations or annotations specific to a particular footnote, then the full citation for the source is to be included in the Cited texts section, and use Template:sfn or similar template to make the footnote to the particular page, or indicate the quotation, annotation or other unique information particular to the footnote. See the article for usage examples. If you have any problems, please ask on the talk page and someone will be happy to help you. Thank you.
Is this wording correct for this article as the template is currently written? If so, I will proceed with inquiries on the talk pages of articles presumably using it prior to placing the notice along with others at the head of the talk page. If it is different that the described style in some respect, I will create a new style description for it. J JMesserly (talk) 00:35, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize for begging off but honestly, each style has advantages and disadvantages. You appear to prefer the style I did for Broad-billed parrot. If the wikiproject agreed that this was the preferred style in cases where an article had an inconsistent style for a significant period of time, it would speed up such upgrades. Otherwise without solicitations on talk pages like this one, WP:CITEVAR prohibits me from simply changing over an article one way or the other because of my best guess of which style was preferred. There are 300 articles with sfns and most of them I have reviewed are employed inconsistently. J JMesserly (talk) 23:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you have my blessing at least to convert the ones I brought to FAC. Citation consistency is my least favourite part of writing articles after all. FunkMonk (talk) 23:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okey dokey. I will churn through all articles in list of promoted articles found on User:FunkMonk/Stuff restoring them to your preferred style (which to be clear to other readers is Not the one described by the above descriptions.) The correct banner description is the following and will be added to the banners of the talk pages of those articles. {{Note short footnote style 3 in use}}
This article uses footnotes in the regular style used for most Wikipedia articles. All full citations used for footnotes must appear in the section named References. Shortened footnotes may only be used to reference full citations in this same section in order to avoid duplication of information in cases where footnotes refer to the same source but different pages or with different annotation information.
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Footnotes using identical citations should not use short footnotes and instead use reference names, typically using the <ref name="AuthorYYY"> syntax. Per Wikipedia:Citing sources, please continue to maintain the same style of use when adding citations using the {{sfn}}, {{harvnb}} and <ref> syntax. Footnotes will be altered to fit this article's style if they do not conform to the following rule: The only cases where short footnotes are allowed is when a source has multiple footnotes to different pages or footnotes to the same source are unique in some other way such as due to quotations or annotations specific to a particular footnote. In these cases the full citation for the source appearing in the References section may be referred to by short footnotes using Template:sfn or similar template to make the footnote to the particular page, or indicate the quotation, annotation or other unique information particular to the footnote. Short footnotes referencing citations in any other section violates this style. See the article for usage examples. If you have any questions or problems, please ask on the talk page and someone will be happy to help you. Thank you.
As an aside, I do have favorites for particular situations. My personal favorite for comprehensive articles is the form typical for journals and books- an alphabetical list of all references, but perhaps that is the Swiss-German/ former researcher in me. I did that for Holodomor which formerly was a jumble of styles. It was quite a mess due to the edit volatility and contributions from folks not familiar with citation conventions.J JMesserly (talk) 02:45, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, because I constantly update articles with new sources, and find source work tedious in general, the current style I use where I can just add a new source anywhere without much afterthought feels easiest with my workflow. FunkMonk (talk) 12:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Last confirmed wild passenger pigeon was actually shot near Laurel, Indiana on April 3, 1902
This article doesn't need more content but just bookmarking for future researchers, I thought this was a lovely and informative passage. I can't figure out the date but I'm guessing 1830s?
When we reached the Bayou Bonida, our attention was arrested by a roaring overhead. We looked up and saw vast flocks of wild pigeons coming from every quarter and forming what is called a pigeon roost. The advanced flocks would select and settle on the boughs of the trees, and successive flocks would settle on and cleave to their predecessors until they would hang in clusters like a swarm of bees. Frequently the accumulating weight would break a bough and bring it down with a crash, and the birds would fly off, only to return immediately and make another settlement. The smaller and more elastic trees were often so overloaded that they bent until the top limbs rested on the ground. After selecting their place for roosting, they would return each succeeding evening until they migrated to some new territory. What excited our curiosity was that they should come from afar and concentrate on one acre of trees almost to suffocation when they had illimitable forests to roost in at their convenience wherever night might overtake them.
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